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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'Proud' to Build New Mac Pro in Texas
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I am happy Trump was able to Negotiate to keep the Mac Pro in Texas. Apple had announced that it was moving it back to China. China is a communist dictatorship and we should not be supporting their slave labor ways. They also steal technology from the US.
The only way to get them to change is to stop buying their products. This is a TINY step in the right direction. But it needs to be a major shift. There is zero reason Americans can't build the products we need.
The stuff going on in China Hong Kong right now is terrible. Hong Kong always thought of themselves as a free state away from the Mainland China and this power grab is pretty much an invasion. Hong Kong was a bustling economy with a lot of freedoms and they are going in the wrong direction. All this stuff going on is a step back 30 years for China.
Their economy is starting to fail and that's why the Dictators are coming in and taking over Hong Kong.
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I feel like Cook is a libertarian with so much emphasis on Privacy. That's why I like him.
The only way to get them to change is to stop buying their products. This is a TINY step in the right direction. But it needs to be a major shift. There is zero reason Americans can't build the products we need.
The stuff going on in China Hong Kong right now is terrible. Hong Kong always thought of themselves as a free state away from the Mainland China and this power grab is pretty much an invasion. Hong Kong was a bustling economy with a lot of freedoms and they are going in the wrong direction. All this stuff going on is a step back 30 years for China.
Their economy is starting to fail and that's why the Dictators are coming in and taking over Hong Kong.
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I feel like Cook is a libertarian with so much emphasis on Privacy. That's why I like him.
I don't go to sites I don't like just to snarl and whine. If you don't like Apple this isn't the place for you.
Is this inception? The trade war called for the end of assembling the Mac Pro in the US so a waiver of trade war that didn’t need to be started kept them here...
SPeakingof morale infront of Trump policy yeah think again and better think hard while at it.
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Well then again Companies will always says where the money is .
But Tim's and Elon's heads are thicker than the hardhat anyway, so it's unnecessary:
I'd like to see the steel ball test on them!
When will Tim Cooked donate his billions to the border jumpers and open his home to refugees? Didn't think so. But he has no problem telling everyone else what to do. Time for Californians to take back their state, the frog has done been boiled.
Apple never stated the trade war or tariffs were behind the decision to stop making Mac Pros in Texas.
Apple only had said to the Wall St Journal that it’s engineering team wanted access to cheaper parts and more established manufacturing line already more available in China.
Given that all their other manufacturing is done there, and low volume of 2013 Mac Pros, seems like a typical cost savings move than current political one.
And considering that low volume of the desktops, moving production back was probably an easy bone to throw Trump for some tariff relief.
However I think it’s time Apple also starts making their ARM CPUs in the US, and especially if they transition Macs CPUs there. Trump admin would be smart to recognize the value of keeping the manufacture of advanced parts like CPUs inside the US, and pressure Apple (and others) to keep the choice stuff made at home.
Cook would also be smart to use the repatriated foreign cash horde to start setting up exactly this. Even smarter to push Trump for help/tax breaks to set-up advanced manufacturing plants and jobs in the US. The short term cost is worth offsetting the long term IP bleed from manufacturing in China.
If partisans are too preoccupied in stupid political slap fights to also realize this, they are complete fools and... horrible for the future of the Mac platform.
Do you have any statistics to back that up? College professors in China, for example, typically earn between 3,000 to 6,000 yuan ($420 to $850) per month and are still able to afford a middle class lifestyle. Foxconn workers earn about 2000 yuan per month on average in comparison. While it's not a high wage by any means, I wouldn't say it only amounts to a surviving wage.
Jesus H ... are you even remotely BS'ing about this? I sincerely hope so ... what is being done with those organs? Source?
First you Trump ... then you Cook ... then you eat hardy.
It just gets worse. When students attempted to leave HK Polytechnic (albeit in mass to avoid arrest), the Hong Kong police deployed tear gas to drive them back into the campus - then - fired more tear gas into the campus.
Fact: Tear gas is designed to disperse crowds - this is its ONLY proper use. Using it to confine crowds is inflicting terror. Firing tear gas at people in a confined space is torture.
If justified legally, Police can make arrests and disperse crowds using proper methods that require limited use of force. Using tear gas to terrorize and torture people - even if they are breaking the law - amounts to tyranny.
But this is where things get tricky.
It's certainly valid to assert that by allowing this type of police behavior the Hong Kong government has lost its legitimacy, but we must be careful. Making this charge only plays into the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) strategy of moving in to occupy Hong Kong. If there is an international charge that the Hong Kong Government is illegitimate, then the CCP would actually be justified in moving in (even based on the 1997 handover treaty). Condemning the Hong Kong government in this way would be an impotent / stupid move.
The other alternative would be the "Big Move" in making the truthful charges of CCP meddling in the Hong Kong situation. There is evidence of CCP directed violence, incitement, and other actions aimed at destabilizing Hong Kong. There is also evidence that the CCP actions have been covered up by the Hong Kong authorities at the direction of the CCP. But calling out the CCP on its efforts to destabilize Hong Kong will create a huge problem because the claims will need to be "prosecuted" in the international arena. This will be a S61t show that no one needs right now. Such "prosecution" will only justify Hong Kong anger and certainly escalate damaging protests, which will cause the situation to further devolve, and eventually play into the CCP's strategy of a justified Hong Kong occupation.
So both the above options are bad because Hong Kong gets "burned" if either option is chosen.
But we all know that communism is the failed system because it relies on authoritarianism to even "keep the lights on". Sadly, we thought gassing people was a horror of history, but now we are seeing it perpetrated by the CCP right before our eyes. Even the "veiled proxy" of Hong Kong Police is wearing thin. Tear gas may not be fatal, but when used the way we've seen in Hong Kong it certainly amounts to terror and torture.
But luckily there is a 3rd option that will take out the CCP while hopefully sparing Hong Kong and as much of China as is possible. Yes, the CCP must go down, but it has to crumble on its own, or at least it has to appear that way. Option #3 is the stealth option, and it is underway. There is a huge and vulnerable set of CCP interests world wide, so expect some visible "flare ups" while option #3 is in play. But be assured there are many things already ablaze behind the scenes. Been to Canada lately?
Communism is a sham, and a scourge on humanity. It should have auto-failed a long time ago, but world leaders made stupid mistakes in the past. Finally taking it down is turning out to be easy by just removing the idiotic enablers that have kept it going this long. Taking additional adverse actions will expedite its demise. And, this is where everyone can join in the fun! How exciting!
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Oh, One more thing:
"China, said Cook, has never asked Apple to unlock an iPhone, but the United States has. "And we stood up against that, and said we can't do it," Cook said. "Our privacy commitment is a worldwide one.""
This is a pathetic and stupid dodge.
The CCP does not need Apple to unlock an iPhone. The user just hands over the password, or watches his family, and his own organs get donated. The CCP will just rip your child's beating heart out their chest while you watch unless you give them what they want. I cannot believe people believe Timmy the Crook's ignorant, smug blathering.
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Does nobody brief Trump before he meets CEOs? #moron
agreed. Some people just like to post fluff for the sake of it. I’m so sick of people not taking time to do a little hw.
I agree 100% that companies are amoral and exist only to make money, and that is how our economic and social system is currently organized. So company execs do have a duty to their shareholders/companies to maximize income and profit.
Which is why governments need to mandate action—that is, if a government has such an inclination.
Our government (in the U.S.) really does not care about human rights.
The only actions we take are against nations who are 'enemies' and who are also despotic. But if they are 'friendly' and despotic and murderous, well that has always been fine with the old U.S. of A.
Examples: Brazil, Argentina, El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Bolivia, & Chile back in the '80s; Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Syria, and of course the huge mess we directly helped to create in the Middle East (like Saddam Hussain in Iraq, propped up with copious US dollars throughout the '80s).
Unfortunately and realistically, such change as would be necessary will not happen while the human animal continues to manifest the same behaviors which he has historically enacted.
Please explain your Canada comment—what is going on with regard to the Chinese?It just gets worse. When students attempted to leave HK Polytechnic (albeit in mass to avoid arrest), the Hong Kong police deployed tear gas to drive them back into the campus - then - fired more tear gas into the campus.
Fact: Tear gas is designed to disperse crowds - this is its ONLY proper use. Using it to confine crowds is inflicting terror. Firing tear gas at people in a confined space is torture.
If justified legally, Police can make arrests and disperse crowds using proper methods that require limited use of force. Using tear gas to terrorize and torture people - even if they are breaking the law - amounts to tyranny.
But this is where things get tricky.
It's certainly valid to assert that by allowing this type of police behavior the Hong Kong government has lost its legitimacy, but we must be careful. Making this charge only plays into the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) strategy of moving in to occupy Hong Kong. If there is an international charge that the Hong Kong Government is illegitimate, then the CCP would actually be justified in moving in (even based on the 1997 handover treaty). Condemning the Hong Kong government in this way would be an impotent / stupid move.
The other alternative would be the "Big Move" in making the truthful charges of CCP meddling in the Hong Kong situation. There is evidence of CCP directed violence, incitement, and other actions aimed at destabilizing Hong Kong. There is also evidence that the CCP actions have been covered up by the Hong Kong authorities at the direction of the CCP. But calling out the CCP on its efforts to destabilize Hong Kong will create a huge problem because the claims will need to be "prosecuted" in the international arena. This will be a S61t show that no one needs right now. Such "prosecution" will only justify Hong Kong anger and certainly escalate damaging protests, which will cause the situation to further devolve, and eventually play into the CCP's strategy of a justified Hong Kong occupation.
So both the above options are bad because Hong Kong gets "burned" if either option is chosen.
But we all know that communism is the failed system because it relies on authoritarianism to even "keep the lights on". Sadly, we thought gassing people was a horror of history, but now we are seeing it perpetrated by the CCP right before our eyes. Even the "veiled proxy" of Hong Kong Police is wearing thin. Tear gas may not be fatal, but when used the way we've seen in Hong Kong it certainly amounts to terror and torture.
But luckily there is a 3rd option that will take out the CCP while hopefully sparing Hong Kong and as much of China as is possible. Yes, the CCP must go down, but it has to crumble on its own, or at least it has to appear that way. Option #3 is the stealth option, and it is underway. There is a huge and vulnerable set of CCP interests world wide, so expect some visible "flare ups" while option #3 is in play. But be assured there are many things already ablaze behind the scenes. Been to Canada lately?
Communism is a sham, and a scourge on humanity. It should have auto-failed a long time ago, but world leaders made stupid mistakes in the past. Finally taking it down is turning out to be easy by just removing the idiotic enablers that have kept it going this long. Taking additional adverse actions will expedite its demise. And, this is where everyone can join in the fun! How exciting!
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Oh, One more thing:
"China, said Cook, has never asked Apple to unlock an iPhone, but the United States has. "And we stood up against that, and said we can't do it," Cook said. "Our privacy commitment is a worldwide one.""
This is a pathetic and stupid dodge.
The CCP does not need Apple to unlock an iPhone. The user just hands over the password, or watches his family, and his own organs get donated. The CCP will just rip your child's beating heart out their chest while you watch unless you give them what they want. I cannot believe people believe Timmy the Crook's ignorant, smug blathering.
I know that China has falsely detained Canadian citizens in revenge for Canada's extradition of the Huawei heiress. Canada has unfortunately (for them) fallen in as a U.S. proxy actor. Not the best place for their citizens, given that some are now forced to flee the China or else face imprisonment (I've read of some others who have been falsely accused and arrested in China recently).
Regarding Hong Kong, it really is dispiriting, since there is not much we outsiders can do. China would laugh/rage against any World Court judgement against them—but such a judgement will never happen anyway. China has too much financial sway throughout the world at this point. In their eyes, so what if westerners label them despotic or inhumane?
Hong Kong will be subsumed into China, like it or not. Sad to say, but the UK should never have conceded jurisdiction of HK to China. I highly doubt that the people of HK prefer being Chinese 'citizens' to having been a British commonwealth, despite the colonial history. At least they were free and not being murdered by the State. Also, the CCP is not going to be 'lenient' much longer, despite the world watching. They want full control of HK and will have it. But to appear 'weak' in the eyes of their public and the world is detestable to their leadership. I think a lot of people will be 'disappeared' from Hong Kong in the coming years. Anyone with means would do well to leave while they still can—if they still can leave (and take any of their assets with them).
As for Cook, I see him as like any other CEO of a mega-corporation. At the end of the day, he is there to protect and promote the brand. And part of that is obeying the laws of countries where they do business. Even when those countries are murderous autocracies. Should they be doing business with China? Personally, I feel they should not. But rationally, I understand that this is a huge market which they cannot afford to leave.
I am pretty sure that is not to the British to decide anyways , Geographically Hong Kong is in China territory and yes British was there as a ruler for quite some time. And those treaty agreement was made well before year 1999 .
China is too huge a market and economy power to just being ignored or left alone. By the rate that they are going now .. I would have think that they have more prowess than the former USSR .
Naive statement.
Ah yes, the globalist that support China from USA safe spaces...
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Get over 2016........
TDS.
This video sums up the situation:
Basically China is traveling down a dead end road and they know it. The CCP is driving, and the rest of the country is unwillingly along for the ride. The scary part is their road ends at a cliff and I'm convinced NO ONE realizes this, and the danger of them just careening off that cliff is very high. The consequences will be tremendous, yet there is absolutely nothing anybody can do about it.
I agree with most of the analysis in the video, but Mr. Waldron cannot see that he is also now on "the [China] payroll" system that he describes in the video. He presents great information about how 'experts' were so wrong in failing to predict the Soviet collapse. But now he is the 'expert', and his optimistic predictions will most likely be wrong. He rambles a bit (ok, more than a bit), but presents some great insight into how consensus is formed via "group think" and how outlying ideas can only go so far before they are considered "dissident" - great discussion.
He does call out western corporate ignorance regarding China, but at this point it is quite clear nothing will be done about that. He forms an excellent analogy to describe China - a delicatessen selling fine foods in the store front, with a "back room" filled with vats of human organs. Corporate "leaders" do business in the store front, but somehow get away with ignoring the back room.
The US "Hong Kong freedom and Democracy act" was signed by our El Presidente (yay), and will hopefully have an effect. Speaking of our El Presidente, I can now see how US policy is attempting to build some sort of bridge for China at their dead end road. This is the trade deal which demands reforms China must make, but also becomes the "poison pill" for the CCP . The bridge basically is a toll bridge, and communism will not be allowed to travel with China across the bridge. The choice of traveling across the bridge, or going over the cliff will be made by the CCP, but 'she' (the rest of China) is now "accountable":
"That's the best deal you're gonna get, I won't tell you you can save yourself, because you can't":
Either the CCP makes a trade deal and swallows the poison pill, or the whole county goes off the cliff.
My main problem with Apple is their "we care" schtick. Apple does not care about China's human rights abuses. It is legal to do business in China, so Apple does business there. An honest slogan would be: "We do business where it is legal (at least we're not sneaking into Iran)."
Re Canada: This is a master play by the USA. The US requesting detention at YVR was a great way to get Canada "in the game" against China. Consider the detainee was scheduled to board a flight to Mexico. Question: What country is between Canada and Mexico? Bingo! The USA! The flight enters US airspace. If we wanted to detain a person on that flight we could have just ordered the flight to land at any US airport where US marshals were waiting to detain her. But then her prosecution would have opened a can of worms for US foreign policy - who wants to let Iran have a trial in the USA (that's what it would devolve to)? Besides, the CCP will not allow her extradition - as I've said before she will take the poison pill and return to China in a box. If she was extradited to the US, she would cut a deal in exchange for information that will be damaging to the CCP. So the CCP will not allow this. The best part: She's actually Mao's daughter (sneaky guy), and the CCP will be forced to execute her.
Re Human 'animal' behavior: The US founders understood human nature and realized human propensity for evil. They realized the only real way to protect people from each other was to ensure they have the right to defend themselves. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness only works if Life can be self defended. This was their design. All other law and order must be build on this basic tenant or it will fail.
If a government will not protect its citizen against an enemy, then the citizens have a right to do so themselves. The CCP is vulnerable in so many ways. Have fun.