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Williesleg

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I know Tim is being associated with lack of innovation in this thread, but how do we know Steve would’ve innovated with a mature smartphone market? I mean, he didn’t want a phone more than 4 inches for crying out loud. Remember when he introduced the same iMac for 3 straight years in different colors?

I think people are underestimating how big this AR stuff will be. Let’s see what happens later in 2020.

Steve and Co. delivered big time.
Tim Cooked just talks and regurgitates old designs and builds out lots of sku's
Where's the Apple car? Where's the Apple Glass? AR? They've been talking about it for years.
It's always wait until next year, and never "one more thing"
Such a shame.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Steve and Co. delivered big time.
Tim Cooked just talks and regurgitates old designs and builds out lots of sku's
Where's the Apple car? Where's the Apple Glass? AR? They've been talking about it for years.
It's always wait until next year, and never "one more thing"
Such a shame.
Tim Cook isn’t a designer, he’s a manger and has a huge development team at Apple in charge of R&D. You can push all you like but that doesn’t necessarily speed the process up. Steve Jobs delivered in a time when technology in this field was evolving fast across the industry. This has now reached maturity and naturally it’s slowed down. You can’t blame Tim Cook for that.
 
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Williesleg

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Tim Cook isn’t a designer, he’s a manger and has a huge development team at Apple in charge of R&D. You can push all you like but that doesn’t necessarily speed the process up. Steve Jobs delivered in a time when technology in this field was evolving fast across the industry. This has now reached maturity and naturally it’s slowed down. You can’t blame Tim Cook for that.

PC's and phones reached peak maturity after 2000. Mac OS 8 was at the end of what it could do. Steve changed that. Don't downplay him.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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PC's and phones reached peak maturity after 2000. Mac OS 8 was at the end of what it could do. Steve changed that. Don't downplay him.
Smartphones were not at peak maturity until around 2015. Steve Jobs was fantastic in driving Apple in the correct direction but was not some immune god like many seem to think he was. He’d be facing the same challenges as every manufacturer in the current climate.
 

Williesleg

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Smartphones were not at peak maturity until around 2015. Steve Jobs was fantastic in driving Apple in the correct direction but was not some immune god like many seem to think he was. He’d be facing the same challenges as every manufacturer in the current climate.

Absolutely incorrect. Smartphones were just as boring back then with no innovation from Nokia, Blackberry, and whatever the heck that Sidekick was. All buttons, no real apps, and crappy web browsers.
Steve invented entire product lines and generated the entire touch phone industry.
 

I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
Steve and Co. delivered big time.
Tim Cooked just talks and regurgitates old designs and builds out lots of sku's
Where's the Apple car? Where's the Apple Glass? AR? They've been talking about it for years.
It's always wait until next year, and never "one more thing"
Such a shame.
One person's "talks and regurgitates old designs" is another person's taking Apple to new heights. Horses for courses as they say.
 
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