Apple CEO Tim Cook: We Want to Continue Making the Mac Pro in the United States

[jerryk]

Doesn't it seem silly to have the entire guts of the machine made elsewhere, and the final assembly to take place in 'America' just to avoid tariffs? What's the point? ...

The point is to comply with the rules the Government set forth to define "American made". Also, it enable buyers (the Government in this case, i.e. paid for with taxes) to get products at a much lower cost than if they were made 100% in America.

The bottom line is that unless US (Europe, etc) workers are willing to work for the same wages as workers in low cost Asian countries, the labor costs makes assembling systems from the same materials more expensive in their countries. And as part of the deal a few people in the buying country do get jobs.
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Actually, his first duty is to the shareholders. Making customers happy is merely a means to that end.
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My point exactly - assembled, not made. Hondas are more American than Tesla.

Some Hondas are SUV, Pickups. But in general, Tesla makes a lot higher percentage in the US since their manufacturing from raw metal is in two general areas centered in Reno, NV and Fremont, CA. They have huge body panel stamps in Fremont, and the battery pack structures and other components are manufacturied and assembled at the GigaFactory in Reno.

 

[curtvaughan]

Self sufficiency is the road to poverty.

Any countries who tried to be self sufficient, made everything on their own, protected their domestic business from competitions through protectionism, would inevitably be poor. The Soviet Union is a pretty good example.

The U.S. was actually much more "self sufficient" before the demise of labor unions under Saint Ronnie in the 80's. When that happened job security, wages, and benefits began to decline. As wages stagnated or declined, increasingly fewer people over here could find work at living income levels. Jobs in manufacturing began to be exported to the cheap labor markets where people were still willing to work for less compensation. Over several decades this has resulted in a disappearance of a large middle class to relative poverty. This produces something of a vicious cycle: As real income has declined and manufacturing has been exported overseas, folks in the U.S. no longer have enough buying power to pay the prices for "made in the U.S.A." products; they buy as cheap as they can afford, which is generally for foreign produced products, which leads to ever more production being outsourced overseas; and finally the process again repeats. This is why Apple's products are produced in China. It is also why immigrants - legal and otherwise - perform low wage labor in the U.S. in agriculture and construction industries.

 

[jlc1978]

He only threatened tarriffs on Mexico, got what he wanted, and we went back to business as usual with some improvements to immigration policies. That took 2 weeks and narry a tarriff was ever paid.

Actually, he got the same deal that we had all along.

 

[LordVic]

Actually, he got the same deal that we had all along.

And many of the Tariffs he implemented on Mexico/Canada are still in place today and causing some SERIOUS harm

 

[jlc1978]

Some Hondas are SUV, Pickups. But in general, Tesla makes a lot higher percentage in the US since their manufacturing from raw metal is in two general areas centered in Reno, NV and Fremont, CA. They have huge body panel stamps in Fremont, and the battery pack structures and other components are manufacturied and assembled at the GigaFactory in Reno.

Except Tesla is around the same percentage, or a bit lower, than other manufactures assembling vehicles in the US. Tesla's last NHTSA report was around 50% US/Canada components. Teslas #2 source is Mexico at 15 - 25%.

Honda's US assembled vehicles are 60 - 70% US/CDN components. Even the Civic assembled in japan has 60% US/CDN per NHTSA.
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And many of the Tariffs he implemented on Mexico/Canada are still in place today and causing some SERIOUS harm

There you go, bring in more facts.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

America lacks the skill to manufacture electronics like this. However, companies like Apple should be willing to retrain folks from other industries to work in its domestic factories and production facilities. Apple can afford to spend some money on training. It's a tax deduction, after all!
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Some Hondas are SUV, Pickups. But in general, Tesla makes a lot higher percentage in the US since their manufacturing from raw metal is in two general areas centered in Reno, NV and Fremont, CA. They have huge body panel stamps in Fremont, and the battery pack structures and other components are manufacturied and assembled at the GigaFactory in Reno.

Tesla is also the worst quality car built in America. Go figure.
[doublepost=1564672733][/doublepost]No wonder the Mac Pro starts at $6,000. Apple is going to pay people $50/hour to build them. I would venture to say that's one way to justify the ridiculous price.

 

[LordVic]

There you go, bring in more facts.

not sure if you're asking for more facts. saying those are facts, or claiming otherwise

but just in case for others: Tarriffs still in affect that are impacting, or targetted at Canada/Mexico.

Solar Panels made outside USA. this includes Canadian and Mexican made.

Washing Machines. While primarily targetted at Asian markets, Mexico exports approximately 240m worth of Washing machines to the US. this was impacted.

 

[Sedulous]

Lenovo and HP assemble a small number of computers in the U.S. only to satisfy TAA (government) orders. Virtually no components are made in the U.S.

It makes no sense to assemble in the U.S. given most of the engineering work is done in China.

Stop moving the goal posts. Actually a good number of the valuable components ARE made in the US. And while maybe Lenovo and HP assemble a "small number" of high end computers in the US, they are still made in the US. The Mac Pro is a high end limited run item that surely Apple could manufacture in the US.

This garbage about the US lacking the "skill" needed for assembling computers is absurd.
This garbage about the US lacking the "parts" needed for assembling computers is absurd.
Other computer manufacturers are assembling in the US. OBVIOUSLY IT IS POSSIBLE.
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America lacks the skill to manufacture electronics like this.

Riiiiight.

 

[JPack]

Stop moving the goal posts. Actually a good number of the valuable components ARE made in the US. And while maybe Lenovo and HP assemble a "small number" of high end computers in the US, they are still made in the US. The Mac Pro is a high end limited run item that surely Apple could manufacture in the US.

This garbage about the US lacking the "skill" needed for assembling computers is absurd.
This garbage about the US lacking the "parts" needed for assembling computers is absurd.
Other computer manufacturers are assembling in the US. OBVIOUSLY IT IS POSSIBLE.

What "valuable components" are made in the U.S.? Open up an HP or Lenovo computer and let me know.

Look at the Apple job postings in China. They're asking for Mac and iPhone engineers that don't exist in the U.S. There's not a single LCD plant in the U.S. There are perhaps a handful of materials engineers who work in consumer electronics.

Guess what? Apple wants the engineer, manufacturer, and assembly team to work together. It makes no sense to break up the work just to satisfy politics.

 

[koruki]

Actually, his first duty is to the shareholders. Making customers happy is merely a means to that end.
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My point exactly - assembled, not made. Hondas are more American than Tesla.

You are right, typo on my part, I meant shareholders with my public company comment

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

The point is to comply with the rules the Government set forth to define "American made". Also, it enable buyers (the Government in this case, i.e. paid for with taxes) to get products at a much lower cost than if they were made 100% in America.

The bottom line is that unless US (Europe, etc) workers are willing to work for the same wages as workers in low cost Asian countries, the labor costs makes assembling systems from the same materials more expensive in their countries. And as part of the deal a few people in the buying country do get jobs.

So you are willing to pay more in taxes to support the 'new slave labor' in America? I mean, you should be used to paying for Walmart worker healthcare by now, so maybe paying more taxes to support your last paragraph is fine with you?

I'd rather have all workers around the world be required to be paid the same in equivalent US money for where they are located, and American corporations have to follow the same environmental regulations they do here.

I find the idea that America has to be brought down to third world status repugnant, and offensive. Are you ready for a 'third world America'? No paved roads, no public utilities, no healthcare? I'm not. And this is all fueled by people trying to get as much money for themselves, for the least taxes, as they can.

THEY won't support this country, and refuse to consider doing it. Who supports America if the rich, who have raped, it won't?

China executes union organizers. That's why they got the manufacturing heart of this country.

 

[Tech198]

Wouldn't this cost more? Apple is just trying 'bridge the gap' from trafficking anyway.

Solution? Start buying imports.... Yes you'll have warranty issues, no longer with manufacture, but you won't have to worry about price and trade wars.

 

[LordVic]

So you are willing to pay more in taxes to support the 'new slave labor' in America? I mean, you should be used to paying for Walmart worker healthcare by now, so maybe paying more taxes to support your last paragraph is fine with you?

I'd rather have all workers around the world be required to be paid the same in equivalent US money for where they are located, and American corporations have to follow the same environmental regulations they do here.

I find the idea that America has to be brought down to third world status repugnant, and offensive. Are you ready for a 'third world America'? No paved roads, no public utilities, no healthcare? I'm not. And this is all fueled by people trying to get as much money for themselves, for the least taxes, as they can.

THEY won't support this country, and refuse to consider doing it. Who supports America if the rich, who have raped, it won't?

China executes union organizers. That's why they got the manufacturing heart of this country.

Sadly, the original intent (at least how free trade was sold) was this. we could use our trade and expertise to raise the standard of living for all around the world.

Capitalists had other ideas and desired to lower the standard of living for everyone else in the name of profit for themselves.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Sadly, the original intent (at least how free trade was sold) was this. we could use our trade and expertise to raise the standard of living for all around the world.

Capitalists had other ideas and desired to lower the standard of living for everyone else in the name of profit for themselves.

Profit, AND kill unions who predominantly contributed to democrats. It almost has to be more then that, but if you look at the people they beat on, it was teachers (contributed to democrats), steel workers (contributed to democrats), lawyers (mostly contributes to democrats, depending on their specialty), on and on, the groups that funded democrats were slayed. To ship jobs, wholesale, to China to kill unions does seem really shallow, short sighted, and stupid, but since the Civil Rights Act was passed by the Democratic Party, the republicans have become the racist home for 'good old boys', and rancid capitalism. Sad...

 

[LordVic]

Profit, AND kill unions who predominantly contributed to democrats. It almost has to be more then that, but if you look at the people they beat on, it was teachers (contributed to democrats), steel workers (contributed to democrats), lawyers (mostly contributes to democrats, depending on their specialty), on and on, the groups that funded democrats were slayed. To ship jobs, wholesale, to China, to kill unions does seem really shallow, short sighted, and stupid, but since the Civil Rights Act was passed by the Democratic Party, the republicans have become the racist home for 'good old boys', and rancid capitalism. Sad...

Unfortunately, the this behaviour seems more in line with modern social darwin conservatives and not just Republicans. Same nonsense has happened with our conservative parties up here.

The long attack on our healthcare systems, our education systems, our civil liberties, have almost all occurred under conservative leadership. Even establishing a program to bring foreign workers HERE and pay them less than people here, legally!

it got so bad that last election, the country essentially voted "Anyone but Conservative" to stop the bleeding of jobs, and our nations natural wealth (most of our oilsands owned by foreign companies, who were significantly under taxed under conservative governments of Alberta. often called "Texas of Canada".)

The scary thing is, who do you think has advised Trump on this stuff? Stephen Harper, fairly loathed now by the majority of Canadians, now runs an international conservative coalition, that features prominent members of Republicans and Canadian Conservatives. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democrat_Union) and was seen visiting the white house during 2016 (without telling the Canadian government he was doing so, something expected from former prime ministers when visiting foreign politicians). He has been a regular visitor to Mar-A-Lago. Oh and guess what sort of people are giving him awards... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko)

these cronies all stick together, and have attempted to rig political systems to remain in power as best as possible for deregulations with sole attempt to profit personally (or their cronies) directly off of the backs of others. On Top of it, Harper was perfectly willing to sell Canadian sovereignity of corporate influence to American interests by signing on for the Trans Pacific Partnership (which oddly, I must thank Trump for killing)

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Stop moving the goal posts. Actually a good number of the valuable components ARE made in the US. And while maybe Lenovo and HP assemble a "small number" of high end computers in the US, they are still made in the US. The Mac Pro is a high end limited run item that surely Apple could manufacture in the US.

This garbage about the US lacking the "skill" needed for assembling computers is absurd.
This garbage about the US lacking the "parts" needed for assembling computers is absurd.
Other computer manufacturers are assembling in the US. OBVIOUSLY IT IS POSSIBLE.

But 'assembling' is NOT 'manufacturing'. Putting parts made in China into a box made elsewhere is NOT 'manufacturing'. Not in the true sense of the word. It's putting things in a box, and then into a cardboard box for shipment. Dell doesn't 'manufacture' computers in America, they have people putting parts into a box. You want to talk 'manufacturing', all that is done in China, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, etc. THEY make the chips, THEY make the boards, THEY put the chips on the boards, THEY test the boards, THEY do the 'manufacturing'. You can train a monkey to assemble a computer, but would have a heck of a time getting one to 'manufacture' computer parts.

When did 'Made in America' become so cheap, so easily gamed? Is someone working at McDonald's a 'manufacturer'? It's laughable!
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Unfortunately, the this behaviour seems more in line with modern social darwin conservatives and not just Republicans. Same nonsense has happened with our conservative parties up here.

The long attack on our healthcare systems, our education systems, our civil liberties, have almost all occurred under conservative leadership. Even establishing a program to bring foreign workers HERE and pay them less than people here, legally!

it got so bad that last election, the country essentially voted "Anyone but Conservative" to stop the bleeding of jobs, and our nations natural wealth (most of our oilsands owned by foreign companies, who were significantly under taxed under conservative governments of Alberta. often called "Texas of Canada".)

The scary thing is, who do you think has advised Trump on this stuff? Stephen Harper, fairly loathed now by the majority of Canadians, now runs an international conservative coalition, that features prominent members of Republicans and Canadian Conservatives. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democrat_Union) and was seen visiting the white house during 2016 (without telling the Canadian government he was doing so, something expected from former prime ministers when visiting foreign politicians). He has been a regular visitor to Mar-A-Lago. Oh and guess what sort of people are giving him awards... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko)

these cronies all stick together, and have attempted to rig political systems to remain in power as best as possible for deregulations with sole attempt to profit personally (or their cronies) directly off of the backs of others. On Top of it, Harper was perfectly willing to sell Canadian sovereignity of corporate influence to American interests by signing on for the Trans Pacific Partnership (which oddly, I must thank Trump for killing)

Conservatives 'conserve' nothing. And 'libertarians' are worse...

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

 

[trusso]

@PinkyMacGodess

I'm sorry, could you type that a bit larger? My eyes can't read such a small font.

Translation: If you're point is valid, no need to shout.

 

[LordVic]

But 'assembling' is NOT 'manufacturing'. Putting parts made in China into a box made elsewhere is NOT 'manufacturing'. Not in the true sense of the word. It's putting things in a box, and then into a cardboard box for shipment. Dell doesn't 'manufacture' computers in America, they have people putting parts into a box. You want to talk 'manufacturing', all that is done in China, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, etc. THEY make the chips, THEY make the boards, THEY put the chips on the boards, THEY test the boards, THEY do the 'manufacturing'. You can train a monkey to assemble a computer, but would have a heck of a time getting one to 'manufacture' computer parts.

When did 'Made in America' become so cheap, so easily gamed? Is someone working at McDonald's a 'manufacturer'? It's laughable!
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Conservatives 'conserve' nothing. And 'libertarians' are worse...

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

It's been a long time. I tried reading Atlas shrugged. I found the subjects ... not enjoyable and disturbing what it was implying and never finished

I've read LOTR at least 6 times and it has never failed to amaze

Conservatives, is a bit misnomer here too. our "Conservative" party died in the late 80s early 90's. the Progressive Conservatives, was a fiscally conservative (though brought in massive tax hikes) but were socially responsible and progressive. They pissed off enough people with their tax hikes that they were destroyed politically. However, there was an upstart party called the "Reform party". which was essentially a religious based fundamental party who wanted to "Make Canada Great Again" by instilling more regressive policies. Basically, put Canada back to the 50s. They were never going to win but managed to convince the dying conservative brand and other Libertarians to join in to the "Canadian Alliance"... They then absorbed the last of the Tory's in Canada and became the modern Conservative Party. Effectively killing what we could consider the last real Conservatives

That and Libertarians are just... ummm. weird. They want the things like roads, and infrastructure, etc. But, also want... "freedom" to do whatever they want whenever they want without paying for it.... it's a completely diameteric thought process.

it also leads to nutjobs running for office who say stupid things like: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/peoples-party-cody-payant-bernier-1.5230152

but now we're kinda off topic of the thread. But just goes to show that all of these "right wing" parties seem to be perfectly fine with whatever harm comes to their own countries, as long as them and their friends make bank off the lack of human rights in other nations.

Marx and Engel warned against this. Yet here we are, Doomed to repeat history
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@PinkyMacGodess

I'm sorry, could you type that a bit larger? My eyes can't read such a small font.

Translation: If you're point is valid, no need to shout.

Was probably the forum software. I find if I copy and paste a quote of some website using special font, the forum just makes it HUGE AND BOLD here.

 

[Sedulous]

But 'assembling' is NOT 'manufacturing'. Putting parts made in China into a box made elsewhere is NOT 'manufacturing'. Not in the true sense of the word. It's putting things in a box, and then into a cardboard box for shipment. Dell doesn't 'manufacture' computers in America, they have people putting parts into a box. You want to talk 'manufacturing', all that is done in China, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, etc. THEY make the chips, THEY make the boards, THEY put the chips on the boards, THEY test the boards, THEY do the 'manufacturing'. You can train a monkey to assemble a computer, but would have a heck of a time getting one to 'manufacture' computer parts.

Look it up instead of arguing over the meaning of the word. And I have already posted just a small sampling of things made in the US. Everything from gas grills and bicycles to interstellar robots and computers.
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What "valuable components" are made in the U.S.? Open up an HP or Lenovo computer and let me know.

Look at the Apple job postings in China. They're asking for Mac and iPhone engineers that don't exist in the U.S. There's not a single LCD plant in the U.S. There are perhaps a handful of materials engineers who work in consumer electronics.

Guess what? Apple wants the engineer, manufacturer, and assembly team to work together. It makes no sense to break up the work just to satisfy politics.


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Most (90%) of Apple hardware engineering is done in the US. That is why that China based job posting lists >40% travel time. Furthermore, the vast majority of mainland Chinese are very poorly educated. Look, SSDs, CPUs, RAM, various other chips are MADE IN THE US. All the garbage surface mount passive parts like resistors/caps/inductors/diodes are made in China or Japan. As far as soldering all that to the board is concerned, that is all automated. Ok, there are no LCD plants in the US but we are talking about Mac Pro manufacturing.

 

[JPack]

Most (90%) of Apple hardware engineering is done in the US. That is why that China based job posting lists >40% travel time. Furthermore, the vast majority of mainland Chinese are very poorly educated. Look, SSDs, CPUs, RAM, various other chips are MADE IN THE US. All the garbage surface mount passive parts like resistors/caps/inductors/diodes are made in China or Japan. As far as soldering all that to the board is concerned, that is all automated. Ok, there are no LCD plants in the US but we are talking about Mac Pro manufacturing.

Yeahhh... nope.

The travel time is to Foxconn sites: Zhengzhou and Longhua. Do you always randomly post garbage without any background knowledge?

Which SSD or RAM is made in the U.S.? Intel SSDs are made in Taiwan for example. RAM is from SK Hynix. Flash is from Toshiba.

 

[Sedulous]

Yeahhh... nope.

The travel time is to Foxconn sites: Zhengzhou and Longhua. Do you always randomly post garbage without any background knowledge?

Which SSD or RAM is made in the U.S.? Intel SSDs are made in Taiwan for example. RAM is from SK Hynix. Flash is from Toshiba.

Let's at least pretend to be civil. As for being "informed" admittedly Apple's supply chain is not my specialty. However between actually repairing Apple products at the component level and having basic internet search capacity, I can be sure that I am more informed than most. Micron RAM and SSDs, PNY RAM and SSDs, Samsung NAND, etc etc all made in the US. Intel CPUs are mostly made in the US. The point is the US does actually manufacture computer components. Commodity components like passive SMDs are not made in the US but a number of high value parts are. There are other power management chips, muxers, and other QFD chips used in Apple products that are also made in the US.

Again, clearly other computer manufacturers are able to produce computers in the US (I have cited Lenovo and HP). I have cited a number of components Apple could or DOES use in the Mac Pro instead of relying on asian sources. As for actual assembly of components, the human labor part is not particularly demanding. All of the SMD soldering is automated and human labor basically is limited to screwing parts into the case.

Not sure why you are under the impression that Apple does most of the engineering outside of the US. That job listing specifically states ">40% international travel time" so no, it isn't just around the corner to Shenzhen or something like that. There is a reason they have built massive new facilities specifically for design, engineering, and testing right next to the mothership in California (basically all those buildings distinct from the main ring). Apple does not have significant engineering facilities in China. There is a reason every Apple product says "Designed in California". But this is getting off topic.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Let's at least pretend to be civil. As for being "informed" admittedly Apple's supply chain is not my specialty. However between actually repairing Apple products at the component level and having basic internet search capacity, I can be sure that I am more informed than most. Micron RAM and SSDs, PNY RAM and SSDs, Samsung NAND, etc etc all made in the US. Intel CPUs are mostly made in the US. The point is the US does actually manufacture computer components. Commodity components like passive SMDs are not made in the US but a number of high value parts are. There are other power management chips, muxers, and other QFD chips used in Apple products that are also made in the US.

Again, clearly other computer manufacturers are able to produce computers in the US (I have cited Lenovo and HP). I have cited a number of components Apple could or DOES use in the Mac Pro instead of relying on asian sources. As for actual assembly of components, the human labor part is not particularly demanding. All of the SMD soldering is automated and human labor basically is limited to screwing parts into the case.

Not sure why you are under the impression that Apple does most of the engineering outside of the US. That job listing specifically states ">40% international travel time" so no, it isn't just around the corner to Shenzhen or something like that. There is a reason they have built massive new facilities specifically for design, engineering, and testing right next to the mothership in California (basically all those buildings distinct from the main ring). Apple does not have significant engineering facilities in China. There is a reason every Apple product says "Designed in California". But this is getting off topic.

But 'Designed in California' is NOT 'Engineered in California'.

Apple has an 'engineering office' in Ireland, and I'm sure they also have an office in China, at least one, probably several.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Look it up instead of arguing over the meaning of the word. And I have already posted just a small sampling of things made in the US. Everything from gas grills and bicycles to interstellar robots and computers.

So someone working at McDonald's is a 'manufacturer'? They assemble the products.

My point, which seems to be being missed in this, is that ASSEMBLING is doing the last 10% of the job in MANUFACTURING.

I would feel better if people called it what it is: A lie. They don't 'manufacture' in America, they use automation to 'assemble' the parts made by others into a box they slap a sticker on that ignores the fact that almost the entire contents are 'Made in China'. It would be better if they just said 'We assembled this in America to save on taxes from parts made in China, and elsewhere'. They are NOT manufacturing it here.

It's a fine line that is being diluted here. ALL of the advanced processes to 'manufacture' the computer are being done elsewhere. All that is happening 'here' is someone with low skills is watching the robots assemble the thing.

And with that, I'm out. Selling out American Labor is touting 'assembly' as 'manufacture'.

 

[Sedulous]

So someone working at McDonald's is a 'manufacturer'? They assemble the products.

My point, which seems to be being missed in this, is that ASSEMBLING is doing the last 10% of the job in MANUFACTURING.

I would feel better if people called it what it is: A lie. They don't 'manufacture' in America, they use automation to 'assemble' the parts made by others into a box they slap a sticker on that ignores the fact that almost the entire contents are 'Made in China'. It would be better if they just said 'We assembled this in America to save on taxes from parts made in China, and elsewhere'. They are NOT manufacturing it here.

It's a fine line that is being diluted here. ALL of the advanced processes to 'manufacture' the computer are being done elsewhere. All that is happening 'here' is someone with low skills is watching the robots assemble the thing.

And with that, I'm out. Selling out American Labor is touting 'assembly' as 'manufacture'.

These two words are largely synonyms. They both mean “making of wares”. I suspect you may believe “manufacture” could include use of raw materials whereas “assembly” might not.

In much the same way, “design” and “engineering” are largely synonymous. But again I suspect you might be thinking “design” has a meaning limited to artwork or physical appearance.

As far as I know Apple has not yet established any research facilities in China but there are reports that this might change... and that may be related to the job postings you quoted.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

These two words are largely synonyms. They both mean “making of wares”. I suspect you may believe “manufacture” could include use of raw materials whereas “assembly” might not.

In much the same way, “design” and “engineering” are largely synonymous. But again I suspect you might be thinking “design” has a meaning limited to artwork or physical appearance.

As far as I know Apple has not yet established any research facilities in China but there are reports that this might change... and that may be related to the job postings you quoted.

*SIGH* Last post: To 'manufacture' something requires more work and more labor than to 'assemble' it. It's cheaper for Apple (Dell, etc0 to claim they 'manufacture' in America, than it actually is to 'manufacture' in America.

Next didn't fail because it was 'Made in America', it failed because it was an overpriced half-baked idea with poor software support. (It would be like building a sports car where there are no roads. It won't sell well at all... Bye...