Apple Removing Vaping-Related Apps From App Store Today Amid Public Health Concerns

[Chaos215bar2]

If you believe that it’s not...you aren’t worth the effort. Smoke, regardless of what it’s from...is harmful. Period. Scientific fact. I would love to see you post a reputable study that shows marijuana smoke is NOT harmful. Good luck. Science isn’t going to be on your side.

I agree with you in principal, but you need to tone down the rhetoric if we’re going to talk science. First, we’re talking aerosolized liquids here, not “smoke”. Second, there are absolutely medically established uses for, really, just about every drug that’s actually been available to study. (Schedule 1 is a bit of a catch 22 in the US, since the moment something makes it onto that list, it becomes exceedingly difficult to actually do the kind of research that might find a medical use.)

Smoking is absolutely harmful under nearly if not all circumstances, and the vast majority of vape use likely is as well. But tearing down a straw man doesn’t really help anyone.

 

[iOS Geek]

In fact they've found in some cases it inhibits lung cancer. Once you perform your effort I'll provide the study.

My very first search:

Marijuana and Lung Health

The American Lung Association is concerned about the health impacts of marijuana use, especially on lung health. We caution the public against smoking marijuana because of the risk of damage to the lungs.

www.lung.org

moking marijuana clearly damages the human lung. Research shows that smoking marijuana causes chronic bronchitis and marijuana smoke has been shown to injure the cell linings of the large airways, which could explain why smoking marijuana leads to symptoms such as chronic cough, phlegm production, wheeze and acute bronchitis.4,9
Smoking marijuana has also been linked to cases of air pockets in between both lungs and between the lungs and the chest wall, as well as large air bubbles in the lungs among young to middle-aged adults, mostly heavy smokers of marijuana.
However, it's not possible to establish whether these occur more frequently among marijuana smokers than the general population.4

WebMD:

Studies that have looked for a direct link between the two have conflicting results -- some found evidence that ties marijuana to lung cancer, while other data show little to no connection.





run ya mouth some more.

"Run ya mouth some more"? You know what? If you're going to be an a**...you definitely aren't worth the time and effort. You ran your mouth saying prove that the smoke is NOT harmful and then you provided a study that right in the beginning...says it "CLEARLY DAMAGES the lung". Did you even read that before you posted it? The study is literally ONE "However" away from directly linking it to harm. I would have been happy to debate with you. But I expect open mindedness and respect, which you don't seem to be willing to offer. So I won't be returning the same. Hate to break it to you, but as more research is conducted...it is pretty much a GUARANTEE that marijuana will be found to have serious drawbacks. And people like you will do what you continue to do...which is ignore it because it goes against what you want to believe. With it's legality becoming more widespread...we now have a larger pool of guinea pigs. It will end the same way as alcohol and tobacco...proven that it's not good for you. Only difference is at least drinkers and tobacco smokers actually admit that it's bad for them. Pot smokers are literally the ONLY people I ever hear say their vice is "harmless". Won't be addressing you any farther.

 

[tylersdad]

Smoking is absolutely harmful under nearly if not all circumstances, and the vast majority of vape use likely is as well. But tearing down a straw man doesn’t really help anyone.

Please cite your evidence that vaping is likely harmful in all circumstances.

 

[menace3]

The cannabis apps are ok then?

Looks like the Pax Labs apps have been deleted from the App Store. Still have it on my phone. That sucks because the app is used to raise the temperature and to lock my pen.

 

[lostngone]

We don't make "vaping" devices, it is a personal humidifying devices.

 

[Blue Velvet]

Storz & Bickel

Mighty respect.

For a thread with discussion about herb, it's getting a little heated in here... and not in a good way. We don't want vapour to turn to combustion.

Stay frosty.

 

[darkslide29]

Disappointing trigger happy reaction to the news. The Pax app allows control of a vaporizer to change the temperature, set how long you want your session to be so you don't over do it, or lock the device so that it cannot be used (by children for example) until it's unlocked. It is just a utility to control the device, nothing more. It's also a device that is very much like Apple in that they created a closed ecosystem to buy legit pods, and not go into the shady bootleg black market stuff that's making people sick.

Now the alternatives are going to be to sideload on Android (google hasn't banned yet), or go for the other brands that may not be legitimate and are more of a concern.

 

[albebaubles]

"Run ya mouth some more"? You know what? If you're going to be an a**...you definitely aren't worth the time and effort. You ran your mouth saying prove that the smoke is NOT harmful and then you provided a study that right in the beginning...says it "CLEARLY DAMAGES the lung". Did you even read that before you posted it? The study is literally ONE "However" away from directly linking it to harm. I would have been happy to debate with you. But I expect open mindedness and respect, which you don't seem to be willing to offer. So I won't be returning the same. Hate to break it to you, but as more research is conducted...it is pretty much a GUARANTEE that marijuana will be found to have serious drawbacks. And people like you will do what you continue to do...which is ignore it because it goes against what you want to believe. With it's legality becoming more widespread...we now have a larger pool of guinea pigs. It will end the same way as alcohol and tobacco...proven that it's not good for you. Only difference is at least drinkers and tobacco smokers actually admit that it's bad for them. Pot smokers are literally the ONLY people I ever hear say their vice is "harmless". Won't be addressing you any farther.

I would say you started it. Clearly is has an affect, and clearly you are ill informed. Doctors can find no evidence I've used MJ for 35 years. None. They did however find evidence that the prescribed nexxium was wiping out my liver. Go figure.

And, yes I see you have a pre-exisitng opinion of MJ.

Please do not address me, just STOP TALKING.

 

[JtheLemur]

It is unreal how much the Vitamin E-related illicit THC cartridges situation, have been conflated with general vaping, and utterly insane how hysterical this entire country is over all of it. Only here. You have to be completely batsh1t to not see the disparateness between the US and the UK; just scratching the surface, https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/vaping-us-uk-e-cigarette-differences-intl/index.html

 

[sassenach74]

Will the developers of said apps be compensated in any way?
I'm sure at the time they made these apps they fitted into the guidelines.
Time is money after all, as is a developer account.

 

[jimothyGator]

So is caffeine. Are we going to start carding teenagers at starbucks next?

I sure hope not. If you think I'd advocate for that, I suggest you re-read my comment.

 

[blacktape242]

and not alcohol, which kills how many people per year.... ya apple, great job.
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Forgive the nitpicking, but yes, it is. Nicotine is a drug.

Edit: This isn't advocacy for Apple's decision to ban the apps; I think that's silly (and I also think vaping is silly) and likely to have about zero impact. And if it does happen to reduce vaping use, that's probably bad for public health, because vaping looks so far to be less harmful than cigarette smoking. When vaping products are banned (not by Apple; I'm talking governments here), cigarette usage is likely to go up.

My unsolicited advice: Don't smoke. Don't vape. But if you must do one of the two, vape instead of smoke. And use legal vaping products, provided they still exist.

Nicotine is essentially harmless on its own. addictive yes, but harmless.

 

[cwosigns]

Forgive the nitpicking, but yes, it is. Nicotine is a drug.

Edit: This isn't advocacy for Apple's decision to ban the apps; I think that's silly (and I also think vaping is silly) and likely to have about zero impact. And if it does happen to reduce vaping use, that's probably bad for public health, because vaping looks so far to be less harmful than cigarette smoking. When vaping products are banned (not by Apple; I'm talking governments here), cigarette usage is likely to go up.

My unsolicited advice: Don't smoke. Don't vape. But if you must do one of the two, vape instead of smoke. And use legal vaping products, provided they still exist.

There are a lot of apps that facilitate, if not encourage, behaviors that might be detrimental to public health (Tinder, anyone?). But that doesn’t mean they should be banned. I’m not in support of smoking or vaping for myself, but I’m also not in support of banning apps in an attempt to curtail the legal pursuit of happiness in the name of public health.

 

[eoblaed]

I get Apple can do whatever they want in their Store, but this is stupid.

An app had no influence over my decision to smoke/vape.

Of course not.

But they don't want to support an activity that is objectively dangerous and demonstrably causes great harm to participants. It would be like people writing a social media type app that would allow people to compete remotely with their street racing exploits ("last week you spent 9 minutes over 100 mph, ranking 37th in your county") and Apple deciding to remove those apps from the store.

People are being wrecked by vaping, the numbers are continuing to climb, and I don't blame any company one bit if they choose to not participate in that.

 

[FrankieTDouglas]

Cool, at least Untappd is still available in the app store. Or has Apple decided to become the moral police on drinking, too?

 

[Macyourdayy]

Who would have thought that sucking random stuff into your lungs could be a problem?

 

[Blue Velvet]

People are being wrecked by vaping

No, they're being wrecked by an unregulated and concentrated derived product with additional hazardous additives, sold in a largely uncontrolled manner. This is where the evidence is clearly leading.

 

[dazz87]

cigarettes companies are really scared of vaping.....guess eating into their pockets.

 

[Millah]

I think many people have called smartphones and smartphone addiction a societal crisis.

Better get to banning iPhones too.

 

[Bawstun]

It’s whatever is socially acceptable. You can have apps on using illegal drugs but vaping is bad LMAO

If you mean things like WeedMaps, then they're being scientifically acceptable. Vaping is much, much worse for your lungs than smoking marijuana. Just google some studies...reduced risk of lung, throat, head, neck, esophagus cancers. Certainly won't find that from vaping...

 

[albebaubles]

No, they're being wrecked by an unregulated and concentrated derived product with additional hazardous additives, sold in a largely uncontrolled manner. This is where the evidence is clearly leading.

Akin to buying any black market drug/medicine, honestly.

 

[FelixDerKater]

This is a marketing gimmick. The original tobacco players will reintroduce them and all will be well.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I think it’s funny that so many here are defending drug (illegal and legal) distributors apps. I frankly don’t care if the poor vape manufactures can’t have an app.

In the scheme of things be upset about this is just stupid. Fact is vaping is bad for you and I agree with not letting it easy to advertise. Why should they be any different than tobacco products. they both hurt public health and cost us in long term healthcare costs (both financial and resource utilization).

Then by your logic. Fast food, liquor, Gun, and etc apps should be banned.

 

[tylersdad]

I'm just trying to figure out what happened to the concept of "my body, my choice". Perhaps only women get that particular benefit.

 

[Deliro]

Daddy Apple

Big Brother Apple. Ironic isn’t it.