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extrachrispy

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Jul 29, 2009
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People who drink coffee or tea, or who consume adult beverages, have no room to point fingers and shout "but drugs!"

There are lots of people who use vaping as a steppingstone to quitting nicotine altogether. Don't kick them for it. Legit (as opposed to black market) vaping products do not contain tar, ash, or a host of other substances that vaporize and then condense inside the lungs (and onto every surface around the person smoking them).
 

Chaos215bar2

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Jan 11, 2004
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Please cite your evidence that vaping is likely harmful in all circumstances.
If you had quoted my entire post, it would be pretty clear that really wasn’t what it was about.

But, if you want to make an issue of this sentence, is there a study conclusively showing any vaping liquid to be safe? Given humanity’s experience so far with putting things in our lungs, it seems much more likely that anything which hasn’t been thoroughly studied is harmful than not.
 

jtrauscht

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Sep 6, 2010
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Nashville, TN
I struggled with smoking for years. Anything that can make it more difficult for the promoters of those products to get young people to start - no matter how small - I am for.
 

swamprock

macrumors 65816
Aug 2, 2015
1,200
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Michigan
Lemmings. 15 years of vaping and overnight people start dying this is all way to fishy to me. On top of it all has anyone found the vapes bought from reputable retailers to be the cause??? Since those are the ones being banned all over so you know people will move back to black market vapes. Ughh.... Well executed big tobacco ppl are stupid..... no I dont smoke or vape either.

The proposed state vape bans (which are dropping like flies, BTW) were never about "the children". They're about falling cigarette tax revenues, failing municipal tobacco bonds, and Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement revenues dropping because smokers have switched over to vaping. The TMSA fund is based on how many smokers need health care due to their habit, and the amount of cigarettes shipped to the respective states. They jumped on the fact that black market THC vape cart sellers are putting vitamin E acetate into their liquids to thicken them and causing all of these illnesses to make it look like ALL vaping is to blame. They've tried in the past to tax vaping as tobacco, and failed, so this is the next attempt to ban it so that all of the juicy revenues that they're losing will come back, and so smokers will switch back to cigarettes.

The CDC delayed telling the truth about black market THC vapes so that these so-called "emergency measures to protect children" could be instituted, and are now complicit in the illnesses and deaths of those who chose to vape that crap.

The only thing that this narrative and these bans have to do with children is to get them on cigarettes; to create a new generation of smokers to fund all of those sweet pots that have depleted due to people quitting and people vaping nicotine. Follow the money, and you'll see that in the states that have instituted the bans, that Big Tobacco has made some pretty big contributions to the various governor's campaigns.

Part of all of this is the attempt to kill off all of the local independent nicotine vape shops so that Big Tobacco (who owns Juul, Smok, and all of the other garbage nicotine vapes) can sell their nicotine vapes with little to no competition.

This narrative and negative propaganda is about money, folks, just like everything else. There is lots of information out there that bears this out.

 
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citysnaps

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Oct 10, 2011
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So much hand-wringing and outrage about the nanny-state. And what an adorable descriptor that is.

I'm genuinely curious...How many here are so outraged and willing to step up and vote with their wallet, committing to purchasing tech products from other companies that don't support the nanny-state? Or is that just aggrandized faux outrage, and life goes on?

With so many tech companies out there it shouldn't take that much to muster up a bit of courage and commit to switching to other tech manufacturers.
 

Marekul

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Jan 2, 2018
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Apple needs to do a health study on various addictive items to see what the long term effects are.
Add a watch complication for every time you vape, smoke or drink. People might not realize how many times they are doing it.
They could start with their ios games or apps, some of them are really addictive. Maybe force maximum screen time for their devices, some people here seem to really ask for being babysit form birth to death by government and big corporations.


We have been educated.
We don't care.
If you can't stop people from smoking and vaping, what makes you think that there going to stop eating fastfood?

Using drugs is part of being human. But a technocrat totalitarian elite does want a healthy and easy to maintain population/cattle. Can't have that with nonconformist behaviour and thinking of drug users. War on drug is same as war on family (lgtbbqx propaganda)....
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So much hand-wringing and outrage about the nanny-state. And what an adorable descriptor that is.

I'm genuinely curious...How many here are so outraged and willing to step up and vote with their wallet, committing to purchasing tech products from other companies that don't support the nanny-state? Or is that just aggrandized faux outrage, and life goes on?

With so many tech companies out there it shouldn't take that much to muster up a bit of courage and commit to switching to other tech manufacturers.
What makes you assume we don't?
 
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DeepIn2U

macrumors G5
May 30, 2002
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It’s whatever is socially acceptable. You can have apps on using illegal drugs but vaping is bad LMAO

We have Weedmaps (legal) but I'm still looking for that ol'school classic game DrugWars!

freely available to not just minors but the very young

Parental controls and I think the apps listing prevents minors from downloading does it not?

I understand why they did this. The government is going after vaping. It starts by getting the government’s science arm to make up lies about vaping. Then they seize the money of vaping businesses. Once this happens anyone associated with vaping can be held liable and have their assets seized by the state or private citizens in ridiculous civil lawsuits. So Apple decided to limit their liability.

Nah this is Trump pressing on Cook and Cook playing puss'n'boots for the next political move towards Trump.


Porn is a huge epidemic destroying lives. It is funny how the government doesn’t do anything at all to stop it. It is freely available to not just minors but the very young. So it isn’t like the government really wants to protect citizens, especially the very young.

Porn destroys lives? Man I think Porn helps healthy bedroom dialog amongst trusting couples ... good Porn. Not that throat nastiness that's been the theme the last few years. And definitely not that youth Porn which is really gross and prays on young minds.

You cannot wrap an entire industry as bad for what little you see. Doing that against a people is wrong too. Heck Cinnabons taste sooo damn good they make me smile all day long and I'm not hangry at nobody(!) but it's not healthy for me to eat 2 big ones in a day.


All in all this move by Apple is ridiculous.
 

Sam in SoCal

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Oct 13, 2019
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I hate to say this For you people commenting on this thread, but I agree with apples decision. Why? They can see the legal liability coming down the road. People will inadvertently blame Apple for facilitating and enabling these vaping apps if the next person dies or is hospitalized. They will call them out for not Being responsible. People would sue the hell out of them
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Ethosik

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How some human beings kill themselves consuming legal or illegal drugs is beyond understanding. Drugs - your’e as safe as you wanna be! Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein.
You also hurt people around you too. I’m the only person that does not smoke in my entire extended family. 30 years of dealing with their smoke. It’s gotten so bad where when they smoke I can’t even be around them even outside. It irritates me throat so much lately.
 

dan110

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Jul 13, 2013
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I don't vape but I think this is a bit absurd. These apps aren't the vapes themselves. People who already chose to vape will continue to do so regardless of the apps existence and from what I saw in the news those who had infections in their lungs caused by vaping were all using unlicensed THC liquid in them.

But ya know it's Apples store so whatever.


It wasn't the "THC liquid".

They were putting tocopherol acetate (ie Vitamin E) as a substitute for what was actually supposed to be in the vape cartridges.

There's enough misinformation surrounding THC as it is.
 

Quu

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Apr 2, 2007
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It wasn't the "THC liquid".

They were putting tocopherol acetate (ie Vitamin E) as a substitute for what was actually supposed to be in the vape cartridges.

There's enough misinformation surrounding THC as it is.

I never said it was the THC liquid. I said it was unlicensed THC liquids which caused the issue. You're correct that it was the Vitamin E, but where was it exclusively found? In unlicensed THC cartridges. None of the brands that make and sell their own cartridges or liquids had that issue. This is from the CDC investigation.

Nothing wrong with THC, what was wrong was the people behind it messing it up.
 

snorkelman

Cancelled
Oct 25, 2010
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35 years smoking

3 months course of nicotine patches in progressively smaller doses till June 2018, whilst vaping zero nicotine mint flavoured eliquid Then the vape on its own for few more months

haven't touched a cigarette since end Mar 18 nor an e-cig since end Aug 18

I tried cold turkey and 'only patches' a couple of times prior to that The most I managed was three days, as in retrospect I guess I missed the inhaling as much as the nicotine

Nothing other than the e-cig allowed a weak willed quitter like me to temporarily continue with one without maintaining the other
 
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ulyssesric

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Apple is concerned about your lungs. But Chinese nationals persecuted by their government? Not so much. I can't take any of their virtue signalling seriously. But it must work on some people.

No they don't. China is banning selling vape to people under 18. They also ban selling vape on online-shopping websites that have not checked users' age. In fact they're not the first government doing that. India had already banned online sales of vape since Sep., and 8 states in US had also set restriction on vape sales.

Whoever told you China is banning vape nationwide, he is lying.
 

s1m

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Apr 28, 2008
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I guess this is not about Apple being a nanny it is about protecting themselves from litigation when someone who suffers a vaping related illness sues Apple (with their deep pockets) who facilitated the sale via an app rather than the bankrupt seller of the liquids.
 
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Sam in SoCal

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I guess this is not about Apple being a nanny it is about protecting themselves from litigation when someone who suffers a vaping related illness sues Apple (with their deep pockets) who facilitated the sale via an app rather than the bankrupt seller of the liquids.
Like I said these people in this thread can keep complaining until the cows ? come home ?. If I’m the ceo or part of the top brass in Apple no way id let those apps exist in the App Store. The bad press, liabilities, etc is not worth it. You guys keep forgetting in general that corporations are not the purveyors of freedom
 

citysnaps

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Oct 10, 2011
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I guess this is not about Apple being a nanny it is about protecting themselves from litigation when someone who suffers a vaping related illness sues Apple (with their deep pockets) who facilitated the sale via an app rather than the bankrupt seller of the liquids.

Like I said these people in this thread can keep complaining until the cows ? come home ?. If I’m the ceo or part of the top brass in Apple no way id let those apps exist in the App Store. The bad press, liabilities, etc is not worth it. You guys keep forgetting in general that corporations are not the purveyors of freedom


Both spot-on assessments.
 

Ishayu

macrumors regular
Jan 18, 2012
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Denmark
The app store is supposed to protect us by protecting our phone against malware, not chide us into being good citizens. This is absurd and insulting, and I don't even use these apps.

I also find it absurd that a ruling by the CDC, an American body, has influence on what I can download and use in Denmark.
 
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TheFluffyDuck

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No they don't. China is banning selling vape to people under 18. They also ban selling vape on online-shopping websites that have not checked users' age. In fact they're not the first government doing that. India had already banned online sales of vape since Sep., and 8 states in US had also set restriction on vape sales.

Whoever told you China is banning vape nationwide, he is lying.

I think you completely misunderstood my post. I was being cynical of Apples bending of the knee to china. Not Chinas vape policy.
 

acctman

macrumors 65816
Oct 26, 2012
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855
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I get Apple can do whatever they want in their Store, but this is stupid.

An app had no influence over my decision to smoke/vape.

you're an adult... lots of teens and even some adults are easily influence.
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The app store is supposed to protect us by protecting our phone against malware, not chide us into being good citizens. This is absurd and insulting, and I don't even use these apps.

I also find it absurd that a ruling by the CDC, an American body, has influence on what I can download and use in Denmark.
you're using a US product... US rules.
 
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