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GeneralChang

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It's lovely that they decided to approve the app after reviewing compliance with local laws, here's hoping those laws don't... change... suddenly. In the near future.
 
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LordVic

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This is more like Activision rather than Blizzard. Blizzard died a slow death once they got eaten by the A guys.

yeah :(

Been playing their games since I was a kid, still play WoW. But the quality of content, release schedules and business decisions fundamentally shifted when Actvision started getting deeper involved. you could see when the old "gamer first" developers and founders of Blizzard ended up leaving and the new developers and product leads took over purely based on the quality of content in game.
 

Heineken

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Apple, hurry up and move all manufacturing out of the country and stop doing business there. Your bottom line will take a hit, but your reputation won't. Either you have values that span the globe or you don't.

This "we operate by the law in each country" PR line doesn't hold water anymore.
There is no law in China as you know it. It’s what communist party tells you and as far as my knowledge goes it’s more of a dictatorship. **** them.
 

sidewinder3000

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Jan 29, 2010
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Nothing that Apple has done “blatantly protects and endorses the rioters”. They are, in fact, doing the opposite of protecting or endorsing anyone. They have simply allowed apps and songs that meet their store guidelines to be sold in their store. What they are doing is decidedly apolitical.

As the recent kerfuffle in China regarding the NBA also illustrates, doing biznatch there is like doing a steeplechase through a field of land mines.
 
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NervousFish2

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"Rioters" is an incorrect term. They are foreign-backed terrorists who do more than property damage, but derail _passenger_ trains and beat civilians and journalists, usually unprovoked. They have received at least $29 million dollars from a foreign government organization which is run by the head of the Contra program. They've met with Western government officials and are seen as being instructed by agents from the west working with them in HK. They wave American flags, and praise Trump and Neo-Nazi favourite "PePe" the frog through signs and spray paint. They ask the West to invade using their military.

Their goal is cripple the economy through fear, destruction of transportation infrastructure and violence that makes many afraid to leave their homes or open their businesses. And it's clearly a network, with leaders praised by war mongers. Remember when the US trained Al Qaeda and so many other violent groups? Pulling off the same in China will be hard, but that seems to be what the West hopes to do.

If I made an Al Qaeda app, to help extremists discuss, meet and locate one another, I'd be in big trouble. When the same is done to aid enemies of China, Apple approves it.

Integrating HK into China will be a slow process, they know this. After the outrageous murder of a Chinese girl by a HK teen who is now walking free, the justice system recommended a small step: extradition for crimes committed in other countries. HK folks can't just murder folks and then go home to face no punishment. But send in professionals in psyops, lie in the Western media, train and finance terrorists, and you have a may just get a new Eastern Contra style system that can damage the country at large.

But I think China is wise and will solve this attempt at proxy attack.
As is so often the case with these things, we are right to be suspicious of the idea that the "people's democracy from below" movement is completely uncorrupted by western-backed elites. Look at Syria. There what started as a legit aspect of the Arab spring got taken over by the Saudis and ISIS, and turned the movement against Assad into something sinister indeed. I don't doubt for a moment that western forces are trying to do the same here. What started likely enough as an authentic movement is quite likely also being coopted to the west. Equally, either way, the Chinese state has its own vested interested in stamping it out. The real losers are the original protesters, who are probably closest to the will of the Hong Kong people
 

sidewinder3000

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If Apple are smart, they will ramp up production of iPhones and other products here in the US, or at least in other democracies, so that they do not have to kowtow to the dictatorship in Beijing. It may cause costs to rise, but that's OK -- better to pay the proper cost of something and have a clear conscience than to pay less at the cost of supporting things that are bad.
It’s not just about creating low-cost iPhones to sell around the world. It’s about creating iPhones to sell in China, the worlds largest or second largest market. Even if they manufacture phones in other countries, they will still want to sell them in China. But they will do that with a decided disadvantage, since the Chinese government favors companies that manufacture within their borders. It is a very tricky situation. Especially since abandoning the 1000,000,000 human beings has financial and moral implications.
 

jimbobb24

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Now let’s see how strong Apples SJW stand really is.
Courage lol
Nothing SJW about this. This is good old fashioned freedom against totalitarianism and shouldn’t be tarnished with smaller fads. China is opening up markets but they continue to be an oppressive regime. I hope it will not always be that way. The beautiful people and culture of China deserve better.
 
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Scottsdale

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We need to blame the corporate leaders who gave all the production and manufacturing industries to China whom aptly copied all the technology from the West. And, the West has funded China’s expansion and development of super cities and amazing infrastructure. Corporations and investors did this to us, and consumers enabled and never held the corporations accountable.
If ever America was going to jump in to defend democracy, it should step in to a place that democracy is actually wanted and fought for by the people in Hong Kong rather than Iraq for oil and fake WMD.

Corporate greed is responsible, and until we stop allowing all companies to do business in ANY AMD EVERY communist or dictatorship regime, the world will continually hand over its wealth and liberals will think they want communism as so many are dumbfounded to what they’re actually saying or think they want.

I would hold every CEO and executive team responsible for this. It can even be swapped over to free countries like India who want and need the jobs. They’re not trying to destroy others and are peaceful people that could actually use the jobs and easily transfer wealth to a country, government and people who mean no harm to democracy.
 
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atomic.flip

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Sheesh, cry me a river. How come every “strong man” dictatorship or communist regime whines and complains about every bit of descent from their own citizens. They claim their system is so great and the right way to live and yet one tiny mobile app can suddenly put their way of life at risk?

The notion is contrary to what they claim about the benefits of their system of government.
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We need to blame the corporate leaders who gave all the production and manufacturing industries to China whom aptly copied all the technology from the West. And, the West has funded China’s expansion and development of super cities and amazing infrastructure. Corporations and investors did this to us, and consumers enabled and never held the corporations accountable.
If ever America was going to jump in to defend democracy, it should step in to a place that democracy is actually wanted and fought for by the people in Hong Kong rather than Iraq for oil and fake WMD.

Corporate greed is responsible, and until we stop allowing all companies to do business in ANY AMD EVERY communist or dictatorship regime, the world will continually hand over its wealth and liberals will think they want communism as so many are dumbfounded to what they’re actually saying or think they want.

I would hold every CEO and executive team responsible for this. It can even be swapped over to free countries like India who want and need the jobs. They’re not trying to destroy others and are peaceful people that could actually use the jobs and easily transfer wealth to a country, government and people who mean no harm to democracy.

Corporate greed is about as logical as gun violence. (bear in mind I’m not making this comment on the merits of gun ownership). But in both instances it is the second noun / adjective that should be the subject of discussion.

Greed and violence are problems across the board.
 

maxsquared

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Jun 27, 2009
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Do people here actually know what they are talking about

A bit of an extreme example, if you turn the table around, would you approve if an app tracks US army movements back when they were fighting Isis?

‘supporting’ Hong Kong doesn’t make you cool. Do you actually know what these people are asking for and what are they protesting about?

There are many voices coming out of Hong Kong, and you only choose to hear one and an extreme one.
 

ksec

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Dec 23, 2015
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Thank You for all the Support.

Just a few words on so call massive destruction to public property and setting on fire. We have ample of evidence those few who decide to act in "extremism" are either police forces or some other forces of sort.


Yes, there are vandalism to certain companies, no one is hiding away from that. And there is a story in each and everyone of them. I wont proclaim this is right or just, but also likes to point out other shop were left perfectly in tact and opening door to business even if the shop was right next to it.
 
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Regbial

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Are you saying you actually consider the US a democracy? I don't and, for the sake of democracy, I hope Americans start to realize we gave it up nearly 20 years ago. Read the news? I have nothing against a conservative point of view, unfortunately the GOP gave up on the integrity tentpole that goes hand-in-hand with traditional conservatism and has decided instead to take over the country using *any* means necessary. That includes abandoning the rule of law. If you don't think the US is heading in the same direction as China, then you're not paying attention.
Exactly.. US (and many Democracies around the world) is a farce when the higher ups control information (Cambridge Analytica anyone??) and the electoral college exist. Look up Peter Coffin’s recent video on it on Youtube for a more broad explanation... even though he’s slightly annoying imo..
 

atomic.flip

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Dec 7, 2008
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Do people here actually know what they are talking about

A bit of an extreme example, if you turn the table around, would you approve if an app tracks US army movements back when they were fighting Isis?

‘supporting’ Hong Kong doesn’t make you cool. Do you actually know what these people are asking for and what are they protesting about?

There are many voices coming out of Hong Kong, and you only choose to hear one and an extreme one.

LOL you are not seriously making the comparison of unarmed “protestors” who are advocating for democracy (elections and civil liberties) to a militia group that kidnaps tortures and beheads people on video and then circulates those videos online and to press outlets?
 

69Mustang

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Jan 7, 2014
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In between a rock and a hard place
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ErikGrim

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"Rioters" is an incorrect term. They are foreign-backed terrorists who do more than property damage, but derail _passenger_ trains and beat civilians and journalists, usually unprovoked. They have received at least $29 million dollars from a foreign government organization which is run by the head of the Contra program. They've met with Western government officials and are seen as being instructed by agents from the west working with them in HK. They wave American flags, and praise Trump and Neo-Nazi favourite "PePe" the frog through signs and spray paint. They ask the West to invade using their military.

Their goal is cripple the economy through fear, destruction of transportation infrastructure and violence that makes many afraid to leave their homes or open their businesses. And it's clearly a network, with leaders praised by war mongers. Remember when the US trained Al Qaeda and so many other violent groups? Pulling off the same in China will be hard, but that seems to be what the West hopes to do.

If I made an Al Qaeda app, to help extremists discuss, meet and locate one another, I'd be in big trouble. When the same is done to aid enemies of China, Apple approves it.

Integrating HK into China will be a slow process, they know this. After the outrageous murder of a Chinese girl by a HK teen who is now walking free, the justice system recommended a small step: extradition for crimes committed in other countries. HK folks can't just murder folks and then go home to face no punishment. But send in professionals in psyops, lie in the Western media, train and finance terrorists, and you have a may just get a new Eastern Contra style system that can damage the country at large.

But I think China is wise and will solve this attempt at proxy attack.
+10 Social Credits to you comrade.
 
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stylinexpat

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BOC does not seem to be very well liked now in HK. Quite a few unrented shops too and you can see closed off metro entrances

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stylinexpat

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Mar 6, 2009
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+10 Social Credits to you comrade.
The guy who took his girlfriend to Taiwan and killed her is pretty much a free man now in Hong Kong because Hong Kong refused Taiwan's extradition request to have him extradited back to Taiwan to face murder charges. The Hong Kong father of the girl and her family members are quite unhappy that the killer of their daughter was not extradited back to Taiwan to face murder charges. This is one of the main reasons this extradition law was passed at the time which was to send a message that if you commit such a crime between China, Taiwan and Hong Kong you will be extradited to that country to face charges. The bad part was that the law was not so specific and clear on what sorts of crimes this would apply for and to which I think was a mistake. They could have easily resolved this be specifying specifically what crimes it would apply to but they did not do so. For those comaining about this just look at what Trump said about the wife of the Diplomat which recently killed a biker in the UK. Trump pretty much also does not want to send her back and keep in mind that the UK and the US do have an extradition treaty in place. You can see the double standards and hypocrisy here, right..?
 

chinito77

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Nov 2, 2015
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LOL!!! So glad that Apple got bitten by their money dog. So sick of seeing Apple talk about China in their Keynotes. Just another greedy company looking to please China because they have money.

Let's be real, this is Tim Cook's Apple and as long as money is involved, Apple will never severe ties with China.
 

stylinexpat

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LOL!!! So glad that Apple got bitten by their money dog. So sick of seeing Apple talk about China in their Keynotes. Just another greedy company looking to please China because they have money.

Let's be real, this is Tim Cook's Apple and as long as money is involved, Apple will never severe ties with China.

In every country when you sell something locally they make you abide by local rules and laws. If you think China is bad at that (which they are) think of US baking regulations that the US imposes and forces upon other countries in the US ;) Which happens to be another part of the trade war which you don't hear too much about;) What people are complaining about in China for trade US actually has similar policies in line for banking as well. So there are some double standards when it comes to stuff like this which is why I now believe it will be hard for them to come to a trade agreement as the US thrown other stuff into the trade agreement as well.

There is a lot of irony and hypocrisy in this trade war between China and the US that most people don't know about. Not saying that everything the US says about China is wrong but when you look at the other side which does not make the news so often you will see double standards and hypocrisy do exist in all this and I doubt the Chinese will accept hypocrisy and double standards.
 
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