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I7guy

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Not quite silly. Some folks use(d) Apple because it used to be a brand people TRUSTED. Perhaps that trust was misplaced, but it used to be a big marketing point for Apple. No longer.
The bolded doesn’t apply to me. It’s a great marketing point for Apple and of course, people will have their own take on this.
 

magbarn

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what could the UK say when they themselves are giving national medical data to Google?
When the UK starts extracting organs from their political prisoners like China does, then we can start talking equivalencies...

OTOH, it’s still perturbing that Jobs was able to get a liver transplant from China (allegedly) when he had metastatic cancer which would automatically disqualify most recipients in the West.
 

Osamede

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When the UK starts extracting organs from their political prisoners like China does, then we can start talking equivalencies...

OTOH, it’s still perturbing that Jobs was able to get a liver transplant from China (allegedly) when he had metastatic cancer which would automatically disqualify most recipients in the West.
No one know if your claim is true. But post-Snowden we do know now that the UK is as bad as any country when it comes to surveillance of its own citizen, regardless of which phone you use.
 
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Osamede

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If Apple is concerned about imprisonment, it would need to leave the US, which imprisons more of its own citizens than any other country in the world:

If surveillance is the issue for Apple, again it would be most concerned about the US, which Snowden revealed years ago to have the world’s most comprehensive program of spying on its own citizens.

So pointing at China and Apple is a joke really. A poor attempt at propaganda.
 

Osamede

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Better go read what Snowden revealed. Much more b pervasive surveillance than that all over the US including where Apple’s products are proudly designed. And not because of even suspicion of a crime. The only crime is existence.
 

stylinexpat

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More bad news for what the communist regime does in China. This is pretty messed up


 
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lixuelai

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There are Islamic countries that are not Arab.

Anyway the Islamic world is generally silent because Xinjiang is not a problem about religion but extremism. The article even quotes Xi internally saying that the enemy is not Islam itself. When it is an attack on the religious belief itself, it is a personal issue. However when it is not an attack on belief, few people will really care about others thousands of miles away. Add in the economic factors, even less people will try to make it an issue.
 

stylinexpat

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There are Islamic countries that are not Arab.

Anyway the Islamic world is generally silent because Xinjiang is not a problem about religion but extremism. The article even quotes Xi internally saying that the enemy is not Islam itself. When it is an attack on the religious belief itself, it is a personal issue. However when it is not an attack on belief, few people will really care about others thousands of miles away. Add in the economic factors, even less people will try to make it an issue.

Problem is about religion and not extremism. Xi is an atheist and a communist.


 

TheFluffyDuck

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They don't need exploits. Apple moved all iCloud services and the encryption keys to the government-run business GCBD. giving the government free reign to spy on anybody. Apple is pure scum! They are not stupid, they knew what this would be used for, therefore they are complicit! But they are the good guys because they removed an egg from a salad emoji, and bring out a yearly rainbow watchface! Come on people, don't be gullible.

 

stylinexpat

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They don't need exploits. Apple moved all iCloud services and the encryption keys to the government-run business GCBD. giving the government free reign to spy on anybody. Apple is pure scum! They are not stupid, they knew what this would be used for, therefore they are complicit! But they are the good guys because they removed an egg from a salad emoji, and bring out a yearly rainbow watchface! Come on people, don't be gullible.


You realize that this is not just in China but other countries and states as well like Israel too. Keep in mind Apple uses 3rd party servers as well.

 

TheFluffyDuck

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You realize that this is not just in China but other countries and states as well like Israel too. Keep in mind Apple uses 3rd party servers as well.


True, but Israel is an ally and a parliamentary republic, China is a competitor and an authoritarian communist state with a dictator for life. There is a massive difference.
 

stylinexpat

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True, but Israel is an ally and a parliamentary republic, China is a competitor and an authoritarian communist state with a dictator for life. There is a massive difference.
Ally or no ally when it comes to spying or data theft they are pretty much on the same page as China.
 
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stylinexpat

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Behind closed doors Trump gave China the green light and approval to do so. Muslims in concentration camps was OK for him but had they been Jews in concentration camps that would have been a different story affecting impeachment and reelection for Trump.


 
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Osamede

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Behind closed doors Trump gave China the green light and approval to do so. Muslims in concentration camps was OK for him but had they been Jews in concentration camps that would have been a different story affecting impeachment and reelection for Trump.


Given that the Trump is currently operating concentration camps at his Mexican border, and US minorities abused by US police, clearly it would be better to focus on domestic matters. Not Chinese.
 

magbarn

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Given that the Trump is currently operating concentration camps at his Mexican border, and US minorities abused by US police, clearly it would be better to focus on domestic matters. Not Chinese.
You mean the same "concentration camps" that Obama also ran? By calling them Concentration camps you're doing a huge disservice to the ones that actually suffered and millions that died in real ones like Auschwitz. Even the Japanese internment camps were worse as these American Citizens were forcibly rounded up and their homes and business were forfeited while these illegal aliens and so called asylum seekers crossed illegally on their own accord with the known possibility of being placed in DHS camps.
 
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Osamede

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You mean the same "concentration camps" that Obama also ran? By calling them Concentration camps you're doing a huge disservice to the ones that actually suffered and millions that died in real ones like Auschwitz. Even the Japanese internment camps were worse as these American Citizens were forcibly rounded up and their homes and business were forfeited while these illegal aliens and so called asylum seekers crossed illegally on their own accord with the known possibility of being placed in DHS camps.
Matters not a whit which president. The US has now zero credibility on human rights. Clean own house, take children out of concentration camps, stop separating kids from their parents and stop using minorities for target practice on the streets of the US.
After that is sorted, then feel free to accuse others.
 
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