I guess what I am saying is that this may be related to some software you are running. For me, the issue hasnt returned ever since. It may have been a coincidence wrt BTT, so I will keep watching too.Nope i don't run that so its probably not the same issue. Im pretty sure this issue is related to Catalina and is happening on pretty much every MacBook.
Ironically enough Microsoft Edge for Mac doesn't have this issues. Its runs so much better.
I just bought the new MacBook Pro 16 base model with latest version of Catalina and im having an issue with Safari. When i scroll some Pages it stutters from time to time. A problem i never has with my 2017 MBP 13. Chrome is working flawlessly. When i compare CPU usage on both browsers i notise that Safari often spikes in the 100-130% range, while Chrome never does this.
ive tried to delete cache and logs. I also tried to make a new admin user without any luck.
So far browsing with Safari on the Macbook Pro 16 is simular to browsing on an old 2012 MBP. It works good most of the time with the occational stutter, which i know it shouldnt be like.
Anyone having similar issues or suggestions ?
re: Edge running better than Safari --Nope i don't run that so its probably not the same issue. Im pretty sure this issue is related to Catalina and is happening on pretty much every MacBook.
Ironically enough Microsoft Edge for Mac doesn't have this issues. Its runs so much better.
You're dealing with Intel/Apple woes... There isn't a 15" Model Macbook with a high power integrated graphics anymore. And, Intel drivers I've noted, appear to be better optimized for 2D acceleration for say Safari, than AMD/Nvidia drivers. This was a large reason I returned the 2016 MBPR 15" in 2017; it was slower browsing the internet than my 2014 model (2013-2015 MBPR's have Crystalwell on the 15" model).
Turning on discrete graphics by disabling automatic graphics switching is one option, but, AMD/Nvidia drivers once again don't have the finesse. Now, I suspect the newer AMDs in the 2019 models are probably up to the task vs the slow AMD 555 in the 2016 I had, regardless of how well the driver is written for it.
Normally I'd say wait for next year's model, but, per leaked Intel Roadmap, the Comet Lake suitable for 16" MBPR's will be the SAME iGPU, just 10 cores instead of 8 presently, so no help waiting.
If, you want faster performance without sucking up your battery, any of the recent 13" models will have both the more powerful iGPUs, and the latest ones have Quad core processors. That's the one thing the newer Comet Lake's and Ice Lake's appropriate for the 13" Macbook Pro's will have, more powerful iGPU, and decent CPU core performance.
Morale? Either turn on your AMD GPU, which will drain your battery, put up with it, get an older 15" MBPR with Crystalwell aka Iris Pro (2013-2015), get a 13" which still has Iris Pro graphics. There is no setting you can flip to make your 630 UHD catchup to an Iris Pro; the latter simply has double or more the performance and Intel won't make a HQ processor with Iris Pro till they hit 10nm, which isn't projected till 2022 per the leaked roadmap. Upcoming rumored Arm-based Macs are another answer, except, those will be RISC chips meaning cross compatibility with many 3rd party Apps and other operating systems will be an issue in the same way it was back in the Rosetta days...
I'd either go back to a newer more powerful 13" or put up with it / turn on discrete graphics as needed via the energy control panel.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/UHD-Graphics-630-vs-Iris-Plus-Graphics-655_8126_8828.247598.0.html
Note, the Iris Pro 655 has double the GPU core count, and a faster clock. This, is why it's not your imagination that the 13" is faster than the 15" for Safari and other 2D apps without enabling the discrete graphics (which bleeds your battery).
re: Edge running better than Safari --
Note that Edge will immediately and always enable the dedicated graphics, whereas Safari will use the integrated graphics until it really really needs the dedicated graphics. You can see this for yourself from the Activity Manager or via iStat Menus (easier). This may be why Edge is smoother than Safari.
You can see what happens if you disable Hardware Acceleration in Edge. Settings->Search for "Hardware" and disable it. Now see if Edge is also exhibiting the same issue as Safari.
Get gSwitch app and try to force it to always be in Dedicated.I have this stuttering issue as well. MBP is literally unusable (stuttering everywhere across all apps) unless I disable automatic graphics switching.
Win 10 on bootcamp runs flawlessly though, without any tweaking.
I have signed up to mac rumors specifically for this issue as I am finding it so frustrating!
I have had my MacBook Pro 16 for about a month now. As far as I know, I have only experienced it since today (using for for a good 8 hours a day on average). I am quite perceptible to things like this but do also use my MacBook on an external screen for about 90% of the time.
However, the lag is so bad that I would have thought I noticed it easily when using it with the main screen for that 10%. For example, I can type out at least 2 - 3 words without anything showing on the screen. It happens across every part of the computer; Chrome, Safari, Settings, Menus...
As with the previous thread, I have tried turning off Automatic Graphics switching. I have also tried turning off hardware acceleration in chrome (has been off since day 1 anyway) but nothing helps.
I find the glitch happens about every 10 - 20 seconds and can "freeze" for something close to just under 1 second.
I'll be back home in a few days so will try again with the external monitor to see if the same issue persists there too.
Have you tried using your dGPU only? It's what I have been doing for the past couple of days
Does everyone who is having these micro-stutter issues also see:
- Keyboard lag: Type a word and wait for it to appear.
- Video lag/stutter: For example, youtube playing a video through chrome/safari with frequent 0.5 - 1 second jumps that are unrelated to any buffering issues.
My bad, fixed itWhy integrated ? It didnt help, and its the integrated that is the big problem here.
That would be a nope from me on both points. I did experience keyboard lag once, but didn't think much of it. If it presented itself more than once in a week of usage, I haven't noticed.
I experience stuttering mainly in these areas (would love to hear from others on the matter):
- scrolling: in safari as well as in other apps, although less frequently.
- zooming & panning: mainly in heavy affinity documents. Cannot tell in Photoshop since it doesn't have smooth zooming anyway. It's not super present, but does appear from time to time.
- switching spaces: this is one of the most annoying ones, at least for me. Very inconsistent, but when it happens, usually happens a bunch of times afterwards. Looks like a fps drop.
- pointer: rarely, but sometimes the pointer stops while moving for a tenth of a second and then abruptly catches up with a jump.
- windows games: maybe this is totally normal, so keep it in mind. Even while the frame rate is high, moving the camera around might produce a slight lag and consequently a jump of the visual.