Wow, sounds draconian, totally anti-privacy, anti-liberty and anti-gun! This could only happen because Authoritarian Obama is President!
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why wouldn't the Gov't go "after" the app owners or the company the scopes are from and NOT the app stores themselves?
Doesn't make much sense....then again government.
That's some Rachel Maddow level of tinfoil. It has nothing to do with firearms.Wow, sounds draconian, totally anti-privacy, anti-liberty and anti-gun! This could only happen because Authoritarian Obama is President!
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This sounds liek Trump administration is moving forward with their demands that social media companies and big tech "find" criminal shooters before they exist.
Apple & google approved this app so the government has everyright to go after themwhy wouldn't the Gov't go "after" the app owners or the company the scopes are from and NOT the app stores themselves?
Doesn't make much sense....then again government.
If the government had reason to believe the perpetrator of a murder was staying in a given hotel on a given night, I could completely understand them asking the hotel to turn over the names of every guest at that hotel on that night. I would not understand the government asking for the list of guests at every hotel in every city for the past 2 years as that does not narrow down the hunt for the suspect.
I am 100% against the broad "give us all the information" demands so someone can go on a fishing expedition. If 58,000 people downloaded the app from Google, there are probably at least 57,999 innocent people on that list.
For the rest of the world? Surely you are leading the deaths caused by guns.
Do you know how many people I know with a gun in europe? ... I could count all those people on my fingers. Now, lets take this to USA and almost every other person has it.
It was there for a reason. But back then the times were different. The amendment needs to be amended
... all this NRA is good is just CRAP. you need the ** right to bear arms ** removing from your constitution ...
However, no specific crime has been committed here. They’re on a fishing expedition to try and find people who may have done something wrong.
It’s bad enough that the Feds are demanding this information, regardless of why. What is much more concerning is that they feel comfortable and warranted in doing so.
Also. Assault weapons are already illegal and have been for 100 years. What is legal are one shot one pull rifles that look like assault rifles.
Anyway if it wasn’t for us and our guns you would all be speaking German.
why wouldn't the Gov't go "after" the app owners or the company the scopes are from and NOT the app stores themselves?
Doesn't make much sense....then again government.
Our worthless government is back to harassing private business owners...
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I just checked: Apple has a Visa debit card number and an address for my account. Now what I don't know is whether Apple can access that information (and hand it to the government) without me entering the password for my AppleId; Apple doesn't have that password (not even in encrypted form, unless their IT is run by criminally insane idiots, which I doubt). But whatever Apple does, VPN wont help you.
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then again a Republican administration.
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Our worthless Trump administration you mean.
It has little to do with any particular party or president. If you think otherwise, you just haven't been paying attention.
Law is not set to protect the weak (citizens and disadvantaged groups), but to protect the power and authority of the strong, for the most part.This isn’t Russia yet. The US Govt has zero authority to “order” anyone to do anything. Come back with a search warrant.
I have been. The GOP goes on about reducing government and protecting personal liberty, and then does exactly the opposite. The fact that Democrats are also complicit makes little difference: the party directly responsible for this is the GOP. The buck stops with Trump. FWIW I do remember the days when the GOP actually did want to protect personal liberty.
lol...That's not how DOJ, CPI, HSI are with ITAR violations. Orange Man Bad!I have been. The GOP goes on about reducing government and protecting personal liberty, and then does exactly the opposite. The fact that Democrats are also complicit makes little difference: the party directly responsible for this is the GOP. The buck stops with Trump. FWIW I do remember the days when the GOP actually did want to protect personal liberty.
ATN doesn't manufacture firearms, they are an optics manufacturer, which includes night vision scopes that fall under certain export controls.You can buy guns no problem but an app is a no go!!?
The problem is not the app the problem is someone unknown have their fingers in the gun manufacturers cookie jar.
Don't have time to do the research right now, but I highly doubt that. There has been an uptick of a particular type of crime, but overall the rates have been dropping. You're simply a victim of the MSM.
Yet this is exactly what Chinese government and Communist Party is doing against their citizens. And the recognition level is high enough that police can trace down every single Chinese mainland citizen participating Hong Kong protest and arrest them at arrival.But what happens when the government can place surveillance cameras on every street, and automated facial recognition/AI can monitor everyone's comings and goings? Now, the hurdle for being "sufficiently suspicious" becomes very low, maybe dangerously so.
MSM=Main Stream Media. Wall Street Journal, NYTimes, BBC, to name a few.I don't know what MSM is
In Switzerland, every man old enough to serve in the army (and not a criminal, mad, etc. ) has a gun and ammunition in his home, in case the country is invaded. The ammunition is counted. You don't want to know how big the **** is that you find yourself in if one single piece of ammunition is missing.Other places are much like Europe (as you say) where they are rare. (Well, then there is Switzerland, where everyone has one?)
Well I found the person who can't comprehend the issue here!Wow, sounds draconian, totally anti-privacy, anti-liberty and anti-gun! This could only happen because Authoritarian Obama is President!
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There should be no fine if they are required to have a gun. What a stupid law.In Switzerland, every man old enough to serve in the army (and not a criminal, mad, etc. ) has a gun and ammunition in his home, in case the country is invaded. The ammunition is counted. You don't want to know how big the **** is that you find yourself in if one single piece of ammunition is missing.
Think about it: the company that made the scope didn't illegally export it. People who bought it exported it.
They are going after the "app owners". They're getting information on who "bought" the app.
This isn't a gun issue. It's an export control issue. Many things are export controlled, including IR cameras, fast computers and GPUs, machine tools, encryption software and hardware, computer firewalls, semiconductor equipment, etc. These are under an international agreement called the Wassenaar Arrangement.
A similar situation is a pile of GPUs ends up in Iran and the government obtains the IPs of people who downloaded the drivers for them.
I'm all for proper gun control, but this isn't that. This is a privacy violation that happens to involve guns.
They asked for information on people who downloaded a gun app, which is way too broadly tailored to balance people's expectations of privacy with real gun controls.
Yeah - But there is an expectation that the government to look into suspicious behavior. People with guns make up 100% of gun related crimes.
then again a Republican administration.
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Our worthless Trump administration you mean.
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That's why I buy gift cards to top up my Apple accounts. Don't like even Apple prying.
Yeah - But there is an expectation that the government to look into suspicious behavior. People with guns make up 100% of gun related crimes.
lol...That's not how DOJ, CPI, HSI are with ITAR violations. Orange Man Bad!