Unfortunately I cant justify buying keyshot as a hobbyist. Marmoset toolbag 4 is pretty much as far as I am willing to go for a rendering program
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3D Rendering on Apple Silicon, CPU&GPU
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Blender 3D has added support for Apple Silicon in v2.93.0. It is in beta and available for download on blender's website.
CPU rendering is fully supported, however GPU rendering is not. Still waiting on that.
WWDC Metal Sessions have been posted. I noticed in the Hybrid rendering @8:15 they mention Apple GPUs will now work directly with Tile Memory. Most of this is above my head, but I think this signals we'll start to see the advantages of Metal + Apple GPUs soon.
Anyone have any more insight from the sessions?
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Anyone have any more insight from the sessions?
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WWDC Metal Sessions have been posted. I noticed in the Hybrid rendering @8:15 they mention Apple GPUs will now work directly with Tile Memory. Most of this is above my head, but I think this signals we'll start to see the advantages of Metal + Apple GPUs soon.
Anyone have any more insight from the sessions?
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That particular aspect of Metal RT is probably of less interest to production renderers, as it’s more about real-time RT (games and such). However, they have also introduced an extended memory setting for RT that would allow one to encode substantially larger scenes than before. Plus, you have the nice motion blur effect that works by encoding animation into the raytracing scene itself. If I’m not mistaken, these limits are much higher than what Nvidia currently allows, which would make Apple RT API potentially an interesting target for production renderers.
Not necessarily versus a RX 6900 can plug in to a Mac Pro or eGPU now. Infinity Cache is also a cache. As long as Metal doesn't "impede" ('bad' data segmenting) or unoptimized RNDA2 calls to negate it the RDNA2 system may do write backs to faster GDDR6 but parts of that data could still be sitting inside the Inifinity Cache. ( are those drivers mature. No. but neither is macOS 12 ... which has many waves of bug fixes coming over next 6 months. )
The older legacy Intel GPUs , AMD Vega , and others are at more of a disadvantage, but Apple doesn't have some magical exclusion here that everyone else (with valid drivers) is missing the boat on.
P.S. context on Infinity Cache
"..And finally, the Infinity Cache is also a big factor in AMD’s ray tracing accelerator cores, which keep parts of their significant BVH scene data in the cache. ..."
same general tool of holding more BVH data in the cache.
Bumping this now that the M1 Pro and Max laptops are out. Does anyone here use Keyshot at all? I just installed it on my new M1 Max 16" and the render times were slower than on my 2019 Intel Core i9 due to the Rosetta translation layer. Seeing as this is unacceptable, I'm now looking into alternative rendering programs that are M1 native.
So far, I've listed RedShift and Octane Render. Any others that I should look into? I do some artistic animation with a lot of complex reflections and textures, so preferably something that is physics based or at least looks realistic.
So far, I've listed RedShift and Octane Render. Any others that I should look into? I do some artistic animation with a lot of complex reflections and textures, so preferably something that is physics based or at least looks realistic.
If you are in to GPU rendering Blender Cycle will support Metal. On the CPU side native support is coming to Vray.
Thanks! I looked into Cycles already and it seems like Octane produces more realistic imagery with less tweaking, but I’m hoping future Metal support (with Apple’s help) will push it ahead.
I won’t mention the V word. Not cursing my new computer with such evil. ?
Shame Keyshot isn't native yet, it looks like CPU rendering is going to be amazing on the new Max chips.
Cycles4D, Arnold and Corona all still not ported to Apple Silicon, can't think of any other native third party CPU renderers that we could try.
Redshift looks like the best option for now - performance slightly above a 1080ti on an M1 Max from what I've seen so far.
Cycles4D, Arnold and Corona all still not ported to Apple Silicon, can't think of any other native third party CPU renderers that we could try.
Redshift looks like the best option for now - performance slightly above a 1080ti on an M1 Max from what I've seen so far.
I have ZBrush Keyshot 10.
I tried rendering the Fuzz demo project on my M1 Air before deactivating the licence and it took 5 minutes 57 seconds.
My M1 Max did it in 2 minutes 25 seconds, which is really really nice.
Are both ZBrush and the KS Bridge running in Rosetta? I own a license for ZB but haven't needed to use it for a while.
Yes, they both are still Rosetta.
The viewport performance in KeyShot is fantastic. I'm looking at a 3.4 million poly sculpt that I did on my 2020 iMac and I remember it being really difficult to move the camera around in KeyShot without going into performance mode.
The M1 Max just flies around it.
Yeah. ZB seems to be great. It ran pretty well on the standard M1 too, but there wasn't enough ram so larger files tended to struggle.
With the 32 gb in the M1 Max those larger files seem to work no problem.
Octane Standalone update out with support for M1 Pro and Max
Plugins coming soon according to the forum post.
View topic - Octane X™ PR 12 [obsolete, Octane X for MacOS12]
View topic - Octane X™ PR 12 [obsolete, Octane X for MacOS12]
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Plugins coming soon according to the forum post.
M1 native version should absolutely fly then. Have to say my ZB skills are very mediocre and I never really push the app anyway, I'm certainly no Pavlovich!
would you be willing to benchmark keyshot for us?
blog.keyshot.com
How to Use the KeyShot Benchmark Tool
The KeyShot Benchmark is a tool within the free KeyShot Viewer. With this benchmark, you can test your CPU and/or GPU to evaluate their performance based on a reference system.
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I get 1.55would you be willing to benchmark keyshot for us?
How to Use the KeyShot Benchmark Tool
The KeyShot Benchmark is a tool within the free KeyShot Viewer. With this benchmark, you can test your CPU and/or GPU to evaluate their performance based on a reference system.
Not sure if that's good or bad.
Hmm, apparently it's how many times faster your computer is than their baseline machine.
For reference my PC with a 3900X and a 2080 Ti gets 3.45x when using the CPU and 45.54x on the GPU, so the M1 Max is useable but it's not going to replace my PC just yet.
Also tried the same Fuzz demo file on my desktop Windows PC:
| M1 Air | 5m 57s |
| M1 Max | 2m 25s |
| AMD 3900X | 1m 07s |
| 2080 Ti (GPU rendering) | 20s |
So yeah, Keyshot on an M1 Max is definitely not going to beat a Windows PC, but tbh if I was rendering a long animation overnight I might be happier spending 6 hours rendering on the M1 Max in silence instead of 3 hours on the PC with all the fans spinning up and down all the time.
1.82 on my 2010 Mac Pro with 12 cores...so the Rosetta emulation is definitely hurting here I believe.
Thanks for the benchmarks. Most likely is Rosetta bottlenecking performance as Nathan said. Looks like Redshift is the only serious contender for rendering right now.
I would really love to get an M1 version of Arnold above anything, I'm sure it would fly on the new chips. I've been using it today on a Mac Pro and it's just such a great looking, robust and featured renderer. Assets that I've used in Redshift like HDRIs and PBR textures just look that much more convincing in Arnold.
I would really love to get an M1 version of Arnold above anything, I'm sure it would fly on the new chips. I've been using it today on a Mac Pro and it's just such a great looking, robust and featured renderer. Assets that I've used in Redshift like HDRIs and PBR textures just look that much more convincing in Arnold.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I just gave Houdini 19 a test. It's fairly snappy and useable and the new Karma XPU renderer seems good, but also it doesn't support gpu rendering on Mac and is using rosetta so again it's probably not going to compete with a Windows PC.