MP All Models Anybody Out There Have A Mac Pro?

[DFP1989]

I think a lot of people haven't seen one and don't know/care how much better the build quality is than most tech products. It's heavy, expensive and beautiful.

It really is an absolute tank, and I do love the design.

My Mac Pro has paid for itself already, and as other have noted was cheaper than most of the camera bodies I’ve bought over the past five years.

 

[flowrider]

I posted this in another thread:

Every's talking price. A 2009 Mac Pro (8 core, 2.93) was $5,899. That's $7,343 today. A 2010 Mac Pro (12 core, 2.93) was $6,199. That's $7,592 today. A 2019 Base mac pro (8 core, 3.50) is $6K.



Lou

 

[patrick.a]

I posted this in another thread:

Every's talking price. A 2009 Mac Pro (8 core, 2.93) was $5,899. That's $7,343 today. A 2010 Mac Pro (12 core, 2.93) was $6,199. That's $7,592 today. A 2019 Base mac pro (8 core, 3.50) is $6K.

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Lou

I don't understand why you keep posting this. Comparing high-end and entry-level systems is not fair and doesn't really say much. The 2010 Mac Pro started at $2499 and the 2019 Mac Pro is $5999 - this is what everyone talks about.

It gets even clearer when you compare actual peformance: The 12 core 2010 Mac Pro has a Geekbench score of 5501, the 2019 8 core is at 7950. That's not much of an improvement for 9 years and a similar price range, is it?

 

[DFP1989]

It gets even clearer when you compare actual peformance: The 12 core 2010 Mac Pro has a Geekbench score of 5501, the 2019 8 core is at 7950. That's not much of an improvement for 9 years and a similar price range, is it?

Looks to me to be roughly a 50% performance increase with half the cores for less money in real terms.

 

[goMac]

I don't understand why you keep posting this. Comparing high-end and entry-level systems is not fair and doesn't really say much. The 2010 Mac Pro started at $2499 and the 2019 Mac Pro is $5999 - this is what everyone talks about.

I think there are two things lost in this simplification:
- Xeons are a lot more expensive than they were in 2010. That’s out of Apple’s control (for now.) You can’t get a modern 5,1 competitor in the PC space for $2499 either.
- The 2019 is hands down a superior design. Higher quality case. Better power supply. More PCIe slots and lanes. Far superior cooling. More RAM slots. Easier upgradability. It costs more because it’s a far better machine.

If the 2019 is too much Mac for you that’s fine. But that’s a very different argument than saying it’s too expensive for what it is. It’s a bit more expensive than PC equivalents, but not by a huge margin.

 

[patrick.a]

I think there are two things lost in this simplification:
- Xeons are a lot more expensive than they were in 2010. That’s out of Apple’s control (for now.) You can’t get a modern 5,1 competitor in the PC space for $2499 either.
- The 2019 is hands down a superior design. Higher quality case. Better power supply. More PCIe slots and lanes. Far superior cooling. More RAM slots. Easier upgradability. It costs more because it’s a far better machine.

If the 2019 is too much Mac for you that’s fine. But that’s a very different argument than saying it’s too expensive for what it is. It’s a bit more expensive than PC equivalents, but not by a huge margin.

I didn't say it's too expensive for what it is, did I? The post and chart I reacted to tries to show that the Mac Pro always used to be roughly in the same price range or got even cheaper. But this is simply not true. Because you can't compare entry-level prices to top-end-cpus-versions from back then.

 

[DFP1989]

I didn't say it's too expensive for what it is, did I? The post and chart I reacted to tries to show that the Mac Pro always used to be roughly in the same price range or got even cheaper. But this is simply not true. Because you can't compare entry-level prices to top-end-cpus-versions from back then.

As goMac noted, the base 2019 Mac Pro has substantial improvements in key areas that are the same irrespective of upgrades to CPU/GPU/RAM. As your post noted, the current base 8-core system is also substantially more powerful than the fastest 12-core system you could get back then too.

In addition, other Macs (like the iMac Pro and specced-up iMacs) have filled the lower-end performance gap in a way they didn't back in 2010.

The Apple line-up has changed, and is in the process of changing further, continuing to dwell on there not being a 2021-dollars $2499 Mac Pro is silly.

 

[flowrider]

I don't understand why you keep posting this. Comparing high-end and entry-level systems is not fair and doesn't really say much. The 2010 Mac Pro started at $2499 and the 2019 Mac Pro is $5999 - this is what everyone talks about.

As I posted above - This is my 2nd post. As far as why, as DFP1989 noted the newer machine is substantially more powerful than the earlier machine. I'm just trying to keep apples to apples as far as features and specifications.

Lou

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[MisterAndrew]

You can’t get a modern 5,1 competitor in the PC space for $2499 either.

Not true. You can get a Lenovo workstation tower with either a Xeon or Threadripper Pro for that price.