It's the politicians that are in fact the terrorists. I feel strongly about these proposals and foresee nothing but trouble ahead if they are pushed through.
Before too long, if you even think a bad thought, there'll be a knock at the door.
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Apple Criticizes Proposed UK 'Investigatory Powers' Surveillance Bill
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It's the politicians that are in fact the terrorists. I feel strongly about these proposals and foresee nothing but trouble ahead if they are pushed through.
Before too long, if you even think a bad thought, there'll be a knock at the door.
And send out noticed to all users that they've done so because the UK has declared the service illegal. Watch the petitions storm in.
I am shocked and outraged.
Who do Apple - as a foreign corporation - think they are, trying to dictate and influence UK laws?
We're British, and if we prefer to allow government agencies to have full, invasive access to our internet communications then they damn well shall have it!
Stop trying to tell us how we should run our country!
Who do Apple - as a foreign corporation - think they are, trying to dictate and influence UK laws?
We're British, and if we prefer to allow government agencies to have full, invasive access to our internet communications then they damn well shall have it!
Stop trying to tell us how we should run our country!
Politic is the most pathetic invention ever made by human species, yet this is currently the most powerful tool to control a large group of people with considerable effort.
I strongly agree with what Tim Cook says. Tools can be used by good guy can also be used by bad guy. See conventional knives. We can use it to peel an apple. We can also use it to take life from someone. This is dual.
And, don't they know that terrorists would just use their own stuff rather than publicly available one, and render this policy completely useless? They even can construct communication towers by themselves as long as they can and they want.
No, this is not an option to monitor terrorists. This is an option to let government have truly free access to everything.
I strongly agree with what Tim Cook says. Tools can be used by good guy can also be used by bad guy. See conventional knives. We can use it to peel an apple. We can also use it to take life from someone. This is dual.
And, don't they know that terrorists would just use their own stuff rather than publicly available one, and render this policy completely useless? They even can construct communication towers by themselves as long as they can and they want.
No, this is not an option to monitor terrorists. This is an option to let government have truly free access to everything.
This is bigger than any one country. This impacts everyone who communicates with the U.K.
Should the UK pass this, I think Apple will choose to stop selling anything in the UK. Businesses will move all of their operations to be outside of the U.K. to ensure that their private communications remain secret.
Any back door is a back door. You can't make it just for the government - hackers will find their way in. Malicious agents within the government will help them.
Apple (and other tech companies) are going to lose this battle. All Western governments are heavily propagandizing the necessity of destroying ISIS and combatting terrorism. Day by day the majority of Americans are being convinced that the West must sacrifice everything — money, soldier lives, security, privacy — in order to defeat terrorists.
This will become Patriot Act version 2.0 and the Western governments do not care about your iPhones or your digital privacy or digital security.
The Western Governments will win this battle, and they will soon demonize Apple/FaceBook/Google as "accomplices" to Islamic terrorism if Apple/FB/Google refuse to cooperate with the Governments in the fight against the terrorists.
Once the demonizing narrative becomes accepted by the public — and there are tons of Apple-hating MacRumors posters alone that always buy into the "Apple is stubborn and evil, so of course the Government is right" rhetoric — then Tim Cook and the other CEOs will cave in. End of story. Oh and have a Merry Christmas!
This will become Patriot Act version 2.0 and the Western governments do not care about your iPhones or your digital privacy or digital security.
The Western Governments will win this battle, and they will soon demonize Apple/FaceBook/Google as "accomplices" to Islamic terrorism if Apple/FB/Google refuse to cooperate with the Governments in the fight against the terrorists.
Once the demonizing narrative becomes accepted by the public — and there are tons of Apple-hating MacRumors posters alone that always buy into the "Apple is stubborn and evil, so of course the Government is right" rhetoric — then Tim Cook and the other CEOs will cave in. End of story. Oh and have a Merry Christmas!
As the minister in charge it is her job that her department runs efficiently. Do you know home office is one of the most poorly run offices? Do you know how many times the visa rules have been changed and yet has yielded zero results? And perhaps you didn't read my previous comment, I submitted the same document and explained the previous officer was wrong. Everything got sorted the second time. But again, imagine, in the middle of my PhD, I had a family emergency. Wouldn't be able to come back to uk. Ofcourse destroying one life doesn't seem anything compared to the big picture. But I was not the only one. It's a difficult issue but have you seen how many times she makes a policy to appease voters and then all unis and business orgs in uk oppose it? ...
But of course, this is not the topic of discussion in this thread. I just hope the laws are there to protect people but not to misuse. Even if uk govt doesn't, some governments will block apple or google and demand a similar Backdoor and will misuse it.
Good work Tim. England is going in the direction of being a complete dictatorship a faster and faster pace. It's hard to believe that American law sprang from English law.
I am in favor of keeping full, backdoor-free encryption available for everyone. For sure it makes law enforcement a little tougher but so does the lack of government-monitored cameras and microphones in every American home.
I am in favor of keeping full, backdoor-free encryption available for everyone. For sure it makes law enforcement a little tougher but so does the lack of government-monitored cameras and microphones in every American home.
Not that America is all that well put together these days but the English need to start government all over, less repression, no political correctness, a written Bill of Rights, a new emphasis on mommy-state-free self reliance and the will to send dangerous foreigners (a.k.a. Muslims) back home
I think you under estimate the importance of free communication to people. If this came into effect, and the tech companies failed to comply you'd see services like Facebook, Facebook Messenged, Twitter, WhatsApp as well as iMessage all disappear.
That's a hell of a lot of users impacted, and you only have to see the way Facebook rally called Brazil to overturn their WhatsApp ban in just a matter of hours to see the UK government would have a lot of crap on their hands!
The more that Apple (and others) fiercely pushes back against US/UK spying crimes, the better.
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I'd really like to see Apple tackle this head on.
If they don't change the bill pull out of the U.K. and don't sell any products here.
Something of that scale would show them how completely bonkers what they are asking actually is.
If they don't change the bill pull out of the U.K. and don't sell any products here.
Something of that scale would show them how completely bonkers what they are asking actually is.
Surely any savvy crim who wants encryption is going to get it one way or the other so if Apple becomes pointless for them then they will find another solution. This will affect only the lowest level of petty crims.
Also if you vpn uses their own dns then there won't be a record of websites visited or will there.
Also if you vpn uses their own dns then there won't be a record of websites visited or will there.
Don't comment if you don't understand.
I'm not sure Apple should be weighing in on this, it looks like more of "America knows best" than genuine concern whether or not it's actually the case.
You need to wake up the hell up, my friend.
This is nothing to do with terrorism at all. Nothing.
More people are killed by bees and wasp than terrorists.
They are but pretending to be upset.
They are merely sowing the seeds of the change they WILL make.
iMessage uses End to end encryption, unbreakable be even Apple themselves, at the moment, but Apple will do what is best for Apple, make no mistake about that.
If the UK government tell them to make the change or else (see their services banned in this country), it doesn't take a Harvard graduate to guess which option they will take. They could even be forced to make the change and not tell their customers.
Sad times for privacy.
I think if it really comes to that they will leave. Cook has made such a big deal about privacy he could hardly do anything else without destroying his business.
The issue is that if Cook threatens to leave Cameron will cave as he doesn't want to be the prime minister who banned Apple devices.
Islamic terrorism isn't actually a serious issue though.
It will surely be an interesting battle to watch unfold.
Very true.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's the same thing, just that Apple has to concede to the laws of countries it trades in. It's crap, and they can complain all they want, but if it passes, there isn't much they can do about it other than pulling out of that territory. The US system is actually much better in this regard in that they can throw lobbyists at the government to try and block it.
I was born in 1984
With all due respect to other politicians, Theresa May is the most incompetent, incapable and stupid minister. She is like a monkey with a machine gun, without having any clue about what she has been proposing. Spent billions of dollars and stupid legislations to make voters happy yet ineffective. My passport for visa application was with UKBA for 9 bloody months cause the officer didn't like my bank statements. And the phone contact number they officially provided in the letter was a fax number. And guess what, I resubmitted the documents and everything got sorted. All of this in the middle of a policy change and within that 9 months, she changed the visa policy for universities in uk three times. No wonder she doesn't have a clue about privacy and only proposing this to show that she cares! Hope all tech companies resist this. Otherwise pseudo democratic countries will use this to oppress citizens
Theresa May is a horrible piece of crap who's a disgrace to this country.
She hates the police and has gone after them with no mercy, there's not a serving copper who likes her. She's now turning to the fire brigade to destroy.
Almost as if she or someone she is with has shares in a private company that could "rescue" the bankrupt police.
The sooner she crawls back under her rock the better this country will be
I disagree, the Chinese law the article talks about explicitly demands access to encryption keys, "A tabled counter-terrorism law will force almost all foreign tech companies in the country to provide source code and encryption keys for inspection, and install backdoors to allow surveillance access." It then goes on to say that Apple has almost certainly not done that. I'm saying, that the way iMessage is engineered, they couldn't even if they wanted to. Given that they haven't offered and can't give the Chinese the encryption keys they are after, this is an example of Apple explicitly not following the current law of a sovereign nation. There is some wiggle room here however, as the article talks about a, "tabled law" and uses the future tense, so it's possible the law is still in the drafting stages.
Now it could be that in the end Apple caves and reconfigures iMessage in China, removing end-to-end encryption but there's no evidence in that article (that I saw) that they have done as of yet.