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JPack

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Mar 27, 2017
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So, still are not going to answer the question. Being sued or the potential of it does not have anything to do with why China first. Right now, your narrative is, gobbledy goop nonsense.

You still don't get PR, do you?

There's a reason why Apple's legal team has a $1B budget. They're not sitting around waiting to respond to legal risks.
 

NT1440

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May 18, 2008
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The China comments make me laugh.

Until the new boogeyman was rolled out, we were getting stories like airline pilots telling the plane they’d turn around if people didn’t stop Airdropping porn on the plane.

This isn’t a submission to China, it’s an answer to the seemingly never ending stories of AirDrop abuse.
 

supremedesigner

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This 10 minutes limitation is dumb. How about:
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  • Contact Only
  • 10 Minutes Only
  • Forever
It worked so well for suppression in China so they're gonna expand it globally.

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SanderEvers

macrumors 6502
Jan 27, 2010
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Then why was it implemented in China first? Honest question...

I think you are missing my point. This feature was always going to be changed after the bomb threads started happening early this year.

That they implemented it in China first might be due to actions of the Chinese government. But that has nothing to do with Apple rolling out the change globally. Many features are restricted in some countries. So that is not the issue here.
 

compwiz1202

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May 20, 2010
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It's not good to get rid of it; it would be better to have both options. At some point Apple should let grown adults make their own choices. If they had both options, you could choose Everyone for 10 Minutes, and I could choose Everyone forever. Now we're both happy.
And another cool choice would be On until I receive something, possibly also with a time limit to receive it.
 

siddavis

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Feb 23, 2009
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You still don't get PR, do you?

There's a reason why Apple's legal team has a $1B budget. They're not sitting around waiting to respond to legal risks.
Your answer was a complete contradiction.
Q: Why in China first?
A: To direct negative attention away from Apple.
The negative attention is ALL on Apple for doing it there first. If they had just rolled this out everywhere initially, the negative attention would have been far less.
 

siddavis

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Feb 23, 2009
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Guys this has NOTHING to do with China. It's all because of people AirDropping fake bomb threads in airports and on planes to other passengers.

I think you are missing my point. This feature was always going to be changed after the bomb threads started happening early this year.

That they implemented it in China first might be due to actions of the Chinese government. But that has nothing to do with Apple rolling out the change globally. Many features are restricted in some countries. So that is not the issue here.
"This has NOTHING to do with China"
"This might have something to do with China"
 

JPack

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Mar 27, 2017
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Your answer was a complete contradiction.
Q: Why in China first?
A: To direct negative attention away from Apple.
The negative attention is ALL on Apple for doing it there first. If they had just rolled this out everywhere initially, the negative attention would have been far less.

There is no way to completely eliminate the negative attention. It's about how to reduce it.

  • Option 1: "We limited AirDrop because people were using it to share bomb threats and child photos."
  • Option 2: "China made us limit AirDrop."

#1 is high risk and expensive from a legal perspective. Apple introduced AirDrop over 10 years ago. Think about the potential legal settlement for that period.

If Apple were to roll this feature out globally at the same time, the lawyers would see this as an ah-ha moment for #1. Their argument would be Apple knew about the risks and is finally responding after 10 years. Think of all the damages ($$$) over 10 years.

Right now, Apple's narrative is "spam in malls and airports." Very modest. Apple rolled it out in China first so the media thinks China made us do it. That narrative reduces their legal exposure because it has "nothing" to do with bombs and child photos.
 
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siddavis

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Feb 23, 2009
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The China comments make me laugh.

Until the new boogeyman was rolled out, we were getting stories like airline pilots telling the plane they’d turn around if people didn’t stop Airdropping porn on the plane.

This isn’t a submission to China, it’s an answer to the seemingly never ending stories of AirDrop abuse.
Apple apologists make me laugh.
It was Apple's actions to roll this out in China first. If Apple didn't want the blowback or appearance of kowtowing to the CCP, then they should have led with this version applied everywhere.
No doubt the AirDrop abuse is real and this is very well the response to it. Anyone who is will objective follow the sequence of events to consider ALL motivations.
 
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siddavis

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  • Option 1: "We limited AirDrop because people were using it to share bomb threats and child photos."
  • Option 2: "China made us limit AirDrop."

#1 is high risk and expensive from a legal perspective. Apple introduced AirDrop over 10 years ago. Think about the potential legal settlement for that period.

If Apple were to roll this feature out globally at the same time, the lawyers would see this as an ah-ha moment for #1. Their argument would be Apple knew about the risks and is finally responding after 10 years. Think of all the damages ($$$) over 10 years.

Right now, Apple's narrative is "spam in malls and airports." Very modest. Apple rolled it out in China first so the media thinks China made us do it. That narrative reduces their legal exposure because it has "nothing" to do with bombs and child photos.
That's one hell of a pretzel you've twisted. Hope it comes with salt.
 
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JPack

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That's one hell of a pretzel you've twisted. Hope it comes with salt.

If you know lawyers working for an F500 company, buy a drink and talk with them. They're not sitting there all day in reactionary mode.
 

PauloSera

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To direct the negative attention away from Apple on limiting this feature. AirDrop is a huge security weakness allowing anyone to drop files and images. We've seen bomb and child photos being shared.

Think about it. Protests in HK happened in 2019. If China wanted this done, it would been implemented a long time ago. Not 3 years later. And it wouldn't be 10 minutes. It would be completely removed.
All they had to do was turn it into a banner instead of a modal so that spam could be easily ignored...
 

PauloSera

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You still don't get PR, do you?

There's a reason why Apple's legal team has a $1B budget. They're not sitting around waiting to respond to legal risks.
You're right about one thing. Apple's legal team has been working overtime for the last few years to earn that budget by making their products worse and worse.
 

JPack

macrumors G5
Mar 27, 2017
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Apple apologists make me laugh.
It was Apple's actions to roll this out in China first. If Apple didn't want the blowback or appearance of kowtowing to the CCP, then they should have led with this version applied everywhere.
No doubt the AirDrop abuse is real and this is very well the response to it. Anyone who is will objective follow the sequence of events to consider ALL motivations.

The appearance of satisfying China is less expensive than settling a lawsuit from iPhone users suing because of exposure to bomb threats and child photos.
 

NT1440

macrumors G5
May 18, 2008
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Apple apologists make me laugh.
It was Apple's actions to roll this out in China first. If Apple didn't want the blowback or appearance of kowtowing to the CCP, then they should have led with this version applied everywhere.
No doubt the AirDrop abuse is real and this is very well the response to it. Anyone who is will objective follow the sequence of events to consider ALL motivations.
This isn’t the place for politics anymore, but the sharpening of knives towards China has been years in the making and is all about their inevitable rise to the top of the economic pile. To accept the nonsense about human rights (look at the last 75 years of world history) after spending decades turning China into the worlds assembly plant is pretty rich.

India and Vietnam will be the new China in 10 years time in terms of where most assembly is done, the Chinese workers are starting to assert their demands for adequate pay a little too strongly for the Western capitalists to stick around there.

John Pilger released a great documentary “The Coming War on China” during the Obama years for anyone that cares that this is all manufactured consent for an upcoming war over economics. Human rights have nothing to do with capitalist motivations.
 

BaldiMac

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Jan 24, 2008
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Guys this has NOTHING to do with China. It's all because of people AirDropping fake bomb threads in airports and on planes to other passengers.

This should be a bigger deal and I can‘t think of a more cowardly move by Apple ever. There is only one reasonable explanation for not adding the option to turn off the 10min limit (even if it‘s the new default) and that is pretending that it didn‘t happen in China to bend down to Jinpings demands to curtail people‘s ability to protest… „guys, it‘s just a new feature we force everyone into suddenly after a decade and no opt out and quite by accident at the same time that mainland China experiences its biggest people‘s protest since the Tianmen Square massacre. Oh and we first introduced that cool feature in China, before the rest of the world. 100% coincidence.“ Shame on you apple. The least you could do is be upfront about your motivations.

I can't decide which take is worse. Obviously, it has something to do with China. Equally obvious, is that it was not added to the rest of the world because of China. (And, of course, there are other reasonable explanations within China.)

I go with the simplest explanation. Apple added it in China for either spam, security or censorship reasons at the request of the Chinese government. Apple added it to the rest of the world for both spam and security reasons in response to feedback and usage data.
 

macdrej

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May 16, 2017
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I can't decide which take is worse. Obviously, it has something to do with China. Equally obvious, is that it was not added to the rest of the world because of China. (And, of course, there are other reasonable explanations within China.)

I go with the simplest explanation. Apple added it in China for either spam, security or censorship reasons at the request of the Chinese government. Apple added it to the rest of the world for both spam and security reasons in response to feedback and usage data.
so you basically agree with me but dont care. talk about bad takes.
 

BaldiMac

macrumors G3
Jan 24, 2008
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so you basically agree with me but dont care. talk about bad takes.
No, I don’t agree with you at all. The idea that there is only one reasonable explanation is silly. As is the idea that Apple added it to the rest of the world as a cover story for China.
 

macdrej

macrumors member
May 16, 2017
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No, I don’t agree with you at all. The idea that there is only one reasonable explanation is silly. As is the idea that Apple added it to the rest of the world as a cover story for China.
so how do you explain there is no way to opt in even if 10mins is the default? every court would throw out any suit where someone claims they opted in the feature and then okeyed receiving spam.
so unless you have a different reasonable explanation, you have to live with the only one.
 

tekchic

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Apr 19, 2010
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Mine never works unless I set it to "Everyone". I AirDrop to myself *often* between MBP, iPads, iPhone and have to use the Everyone setting even though it's just me. Wonder if I'll have to turn this on explicitly now on every single device every time I want to AirDrop a file or a book.
 
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