Apple Investing Another $200 Million in High Tech Carbon Removal Efforts

[Razorpit]

facts and logic:

Were they really predicting an ice age in the 1970s?

One common trope among climate change deniers is to point out that, in the 1970s, everyone was a panic about global cooling, even to the point of p

www.csmonitor.com

Link isn’t working for me. Shame because I’m sure there’s some incredible pretzel logic being used.

 

[seek3r]

Link isn’t working for me. Shame because I’m sure there’s some incredible pretzel logic being used.

Archive.org has a saved version of the page, climate change is real my conspiracy theory loving dude, whether you want to believe it or not, and folks making the arguments you are are basing your arguments on false assumptions (you are, in fact, literally begging the question)

 

[ChrisA]

We were told that the earth's ice cap would be melted by 2013 or 2014 and all the costal cities would be under water, did that happen.

The above completely untrue, made-up nonsense.
Got a link to a mainstream, peer-reviewed paper that made the above prediction?

 

[GuruZac]

Apple, give that money to regenerative agriculture farms. It will go much further to help the environment than the carbon credit scam.

 

[jasonsmith_88]

BTW, I believe in CC its been happening every year for the past 6,000 years.

Yeah, but it’s happening exponentially faster at the moment due to greenhouse gas emissions. We understand very well how greenhouse gasses work, so this is a fact - choosing not to believe doesn’t make it any less true.

Here’s a neat visualisation to depict how much faster the temperature is changing due to human activity https://xkcd.com/1732/

Be careful though, you wouldn’t want to let a pesky fact get in the way of your misinformed opinion.

 

[svish]

Good to hear about this. Apple is moving towards it's 2030 goal.

 

[Starscape]

How about they make those disposable AirPods repairable so users can replace the batteries when they wear out instead of sending them to the landfill? Oh wait, that means people won't need to get a new set every 2-3 years. Scratch that idea.

 

[Vazor]

What are you expecting? That the effects of climate changes will happen overnight? And it’s untrue that nothing happens, we already see the effects of global warming.

I don‘t know what is MR moderation policy towards conspiration theories, but something needs to be done

So typical, if someone does not agree with you it’s a ‘conspiration theory’.

 

[fwmireault]

So typical, if someone does not agree with you it’s a ‘conspiration theory’.

You present that like I stated an opinion. I invite you to do a bit more research about what science is, it might help you understand that it is backed by evidence. I know it’s a big word, but I’m sure you can try!

 

[CarAnalogy]

All these words when all they’re really saying is “Apple is paying HSBC to pay people to plant trees.”

You may remember HSBC from their multi-billion cocaine money laundering scheme. They definitely love plants…

 

[siddavis]

You present that like I stated an opinion. I invite you to do a bit more research about what science is, it might help you understand that it is backed by evidence. I know it’s a big word, but I’m sure you can try!

You effectively called on the moderators to silence someone for posting that they disagreed with Apple doing this!
So much 'science' in shouting down others. It would fit in nicely shouting down early astronomers' claims that the Earth was not the center of the universe.

 

[fwmireault]

You effectively called on the moderators to silence someone for posting that they disagreed with Apple doing this!
So much 'science' in shouting down others. It would fit in nicely shouting down early astronomers' claims that the Earth was not the center of the universe.

it seems like you could also use some extra education. I didn’t call moderators to silence someone because of their opinion on apple’s initiative. This person was saying that climate change is not real, that nothing happens. The debate around apple’s initiative should be the main discussion of this thread, but for some reason, this person wants to debate the whole science behind climate change. And i think this is not the place to discuss conspiracy theories.

read more carefully next time!

 

[Razorpit]

Archive.org has a saved version of the page, climate change is real my conspiracy theory loving dude, whether you want to believe it or not, and folks making the arguments you are are basing your arguments on false assumptions (you are, in fact, literally begging the question)

I wish I could in-turn call you names, but I would get a suspension, so I'll take the high ground. The climate has been changing since the dawn of time. There is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

You can turn the sun down. You can turn the sun up. You can't stop the earth's wobble. You can make the earth have a consistent orbit around the sun. You can't stop volcano's. You can't stop storms. You can't control nature.

it seems like you could also use some extra education. I didn’t call moderators to silence someone because of their opinion on apple’s initiative. This person was saying that climate change is not real, that nothing happens. The debate around apple’s initiative should be the main discussion of this thread, but for some reason, this person wants to debate the whole science behind climate change. And i think this is not the place to discuss conspiracy theories.

read more carefully next time!

"I don‘t know what is MR moderation policy towards conspiration theories, but something needs to be done" 🙄

What is it then that you suggest to "be done"?

 

[lord patton]

I'm open to the idea that increasing atmospheric concentrations of CO2 from 280 ppm in the early 1800s to 410 ppm in the 2020's will affect many things.

But if that amount is the problem, then removing less than one hundredth of one percent of *this year's* total CO2 emissions (> 37 billion metric tons) will not make any difference. Nor would removing 10 times as much. Or 100 times as much. Nor 1000 times as much.

This approach is manifestly inefficacious. All actions have costs and trade-offs, and we can't just "do stuff" no matter the cost and no matter the benefit. This is 100% PR greenwashing, except for the part that funnels 200 million dollars to those with enough connections to get 'em.

 

[avz]

What apple is “investing” in, is the ability to sell carbon credits. This does not decarbonise the industry, it’s an enabler for slower carbon reductions.

The Fed, Part 2. Pyramid schemes also require innovation once in a while.

 

[siddavis]

it seems like you could also use some extra education. I didn’t call moderators to silence someone because of their opinion on apple’s initiative. This person was saying that climate change is not real, that nothing happens. The debate around apple’s initiative should be the main discussion of this thread, but for some reason, this person wants to debate the whole science behind climate change. And i think this is not the place to discuss conspiracy theories.

read more carefully next time!

Off to the reeducation camp for me!!

Please don't tell me to read more carefully when you can't even comprehend simple English. Let me quote the original post where I highlight their "debate around Apple's initiative", followed by your call for silence:

All this to just say they done something, if climate change is someone’s worry in life then your living a good life, the world is fine, every time they say something is happening guess what nothing ever happens, apple stop with this progressive nonsense we all know you just do this for good PR

What are you expecting? That the effects of climate changes will happen overnight? And it’s untrue that nothing happens, we already see the effects of global warming.

I don‘t know what is MR moderation policy towards conspiration theories, but something needs to be done

I find my reading ability to be quite fine.

 

[fwmireault]

Off to the reeducation camp for me!!

Please don't tell me to read more carefully when you can't even comprehend simple English. Let me quote the original post where I highlight their "debate around Apple's initiative", followed by your call for silence:

I find my reading ability to be quite fine.

Except you weirdly leave out the exact sentence I was talking about:

All this to just say they done something, if climate change is someone’s worry in life then your living a good life, the world is fine, every time they say something is happening guess what nothing ever happens, apple stop with this progressive nonsense we all know you just do this for good PR

I don’t know what else you need to see that this guy is pretending climate change is not happening. To be fair, I think your reading capabilities are fine, because you clearly avoid on purpose certain sentences. My apologies, the issue with you is not your reading skills, it is elsewhere!

 

[siddavis]

Except you weirdly leave out the exact sentence I was talking about:


I don’t know what else you need to see that this guy is pretending climate change is not happening. To be fair, I think your reading capabilities are fine, because you clearly avoid on purpose certain sentences. My apologies, the issue with you is not your reading skills, it is elsewhere!

I didn't leave it out. Full quotes. No deletion or silencing or calls for censorship. I'm not a communist.
You don't like that someone doesn't think exactly like you and won't submit to what "the smart people" think should be done.

 

[redbeard331]

Yeah, but it’s happening exponentially faster at the moment due to greenhouse gas emissions. We understand very well how greenhouse gasses work, so this is a fact - choosing not to believe doesn’t make it any less true.

Here’s a neat visualisation to depict how much faster the temperature is changing due to human activity https://xkcd.com/1732/

Be careful though, you wouldn’t want to let a pesky fact get in the way of your misinformed opinion.

I’ve seen that visualization before, it shows very well how we have contributed to changing the climate at a rate never seen before.

What most amazing, is that no matter evidence is shown to some people they refuse to accept facts because they’ve been told not to believe in facts by their favorite media personalities and politicians.

We’ve seen just in the past couple of years the largest rivers on Earth on almost all continents drying up, with intense drought and heat waves causing massive crop loss, leading to higher food prices. And we haven’t seen anything yet, it’s going to keep getting hotter, and things are going to get worse.

It’s not just about heat, or food prices either, tropical diseases are already migrating away from the equator, and viruses and fungus are mutating to survive higher temperatures. Along with that there are ancient viruses locked away in ice caps that are now melting, we could unleash something that makes COVID look like a walk in the park.

Trees, insects, mammals, all dying off across the world, the deniers will deny it until the last human is left on Earth. It’s no coincidence that it’s usually the same people who are very religious, and think Donald Trump has never told a lie, it’s a full blown cult.