Yeah, I didn't realize it was an AP article when I posted it...Originally posted by Chad4Mac
This is the exact article found on the USA Today site -- word for word.
I can't wait for the offiical Apple article, if there even will be one.
I guess time will tell
Chad4mac
Critics -- notably Intel -- argue that most desktop users have no need for 64-bit processing. In fact, Microsoft Corp. has yet to release a 64-bit version of Windows that will run on AMD's Hammer chips.
Uh. Duh. Because AMD Hammer isn't out. How hard is that?Critics -- notably Intel -- argue that most desktop users have no need for 64-bit processing. In fact, Microsoft Corp. has yet to release a 64-bit version of Windows that will run on AMD's Hammer chips.
Hmm. Never knew it dissolved. I wonder why exactly.Apple, IBM and Motorola jointly developed early generation PowerPC chips under an agreement announced in 1991. That partnership dissolved in 1998.
Originally posted by Source
1. Does anyone know how Apple will take advantage of this processors 64bit technology?
2. How long will it take before we see an Apple Mac with these new processors?
Originally posted by MacCoaster
Hmm. Never knew it dissolved. I wonder why exactly.
Originally posted by Mr Jobs
so is this a fact then or still a rumor i'm
AMD will beat Apple anyway. Hammer versions of Athlons are due out early next year to mid next year.Originally posted by Chad4Mac
Won't you be stoked if Apple was the first PC company to introduce 64-bit technology (even with less Ghz than the P4) on the bases of chip efficiency and proper arcitechture -- in all, revolutionizing the PC market rather than following a common line.
Not sure, but I'm sure a couple are.Originally posted by Chad4Mac
There definitely is a Hammer chip, but which manufactures are vowing to use it,
Of course. Windows XP-64bit is already running on Hammer.and will there be a Microsoft OS 64-bit compliant Windows -- all complete and ready by the time the AMD chip is released.
There are two verisons of the Hammer. One for servers, the Opteron. One for desktops (aka 8th Generation Athlon [886]; Athlon was 786), which uses Hammer technologies.In addition, are these companies looking to produce Desktops with this technology, or more primarily focusing on server use.
Why of course they do have incentives. One, 64bit sounds good. Two, faster. I'm not sure what you're smoking about 1.8GHz thing (I dunno the exact starting speed, but I do know it's supposed to be rated at "3400+", so perhaps it's indeed 1.8GHz, but labelled 3400+. Don't assume because PPC970 is coming with 1.6 to 1.8GHz that Opterons have to be the same; but feel free to correct me wrong and I'll admit to 1.8GHz).Do these manufactures even have incentives to upgrade to 64-bit technology when they have 3+ Ghz intels, and AMDs? For all lmarketing purposes, they would be downgrading (1.8 ghz (64) compared to 3+ ghz (32)).
I wouldn't count them out for being one of the first. I'm sure Apple has been colloborating with IBM. I didn't state that they weren't.I wouldn't count Apple out on this one -- them being first and doing it well. I would say they have incentives to integrate this 64-bit tech for the pro side -- the side of their product line that might be hurting. How do we know that Apple hasn't been colaborating with IBM and configuring OS X Panther (or whatever) to run spanking fast with the new chips? And have PowerMacs already working at headquarters?
Well gee, they've been doing that for a long time. So what?The unique thing about Apple is that in order for this 64-bit thing to take hold, it needs to colaborate with two people: itself and IBM.
With other manufactures, they have to colaborate with: themselves, Microsoft, and the Chip maker.
As stated, AMD is coming out with Hammer much earlier than IBM's PowerPC 970. I know Apple isn't in direct competition with AMD, but the PC manufacturers USE AMD processors.Maybe Apple can be first?
Of course. Windows XP-64bit is already running on Hammer.
Why of course they do have incentives. One, 64bit sounds good. Two, faster. I'm not sure what you're smoking about 1.8GHz thing (I dunno the exact starting speed, but I do know it's supposed to be rated at "3400+", so perhaps it's indeed 1.8GHz, but labelled 3400+. Don't assume because PPC970 is coming with 1.6 to 1.8GHz that Opterons have to be the same; but feel free to correct me wrong and I'll admit to 1.8GHz).
Well gee, they've been doing that for a long time. So what?
Uhm. I never said it was at 3-4+GHz. I said it was rated at 3400+ on the AMD scale. Like Athlon XP 2600+, Athlon XP 2000+, etc.Originally posted by Chad4Mac 64-bit sounds good? What, at under 2.0 GHz? Try and sell that to the consumers who are used to -- and don't tend to quickly flock to new technology -- 3-4+ Ghz. I don't know, it sounds like a risky thing to do. Does the consumer really know that it is faster?
Uh. Microsoft already has the software. Why would three companies cause conflicts? Even two companies can cause conflicts (Apple & Motorola [was never AIM since 1998, so IBM is out of Apple & Motorola mess since 1998]). Besides, Dell would need little involvement from Microsoft, maybe a little bit customization of software, drivers, etc. Little involvement with AMD too. They just need the processor, documentation on processor, PCI, etc. (to design mobo), and more. I'm sure they work together more than I've impressed upon in this post.If Dell -- the fastest growing PC manufactor -- wants to incorporate this 64-bit into the consumer side, they have to make sure that, one, Microsoft is willing to supply the software (not just on the cutting board), and, two, that they give up Intel contracts (which is quite a big pull). Once again, the three comapnies have to work together (which will cause conflict), as opposed to only two.
You fail to recognize that there is a 64bit Athlon based on Hammer. That's the *DESKTOP* one. Opteron, the server Hammer, is for, gasp, SERVERS.I see where you are going, and logically I tend to agree with you. It might be the case that AMD will come out/release the 64-bit chip, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they sell the chip to the consumer (maybe server) at great volume -- based in the market factor.
Originally posted by MacCoaster
was never AIM since 1998, so IBM is out of Apple & Motorola mess since 1998]).
Yes it's true. I was referring purely to the G4, which is a Motorola design and product. Since there is no competition on the manufacture of faster G4s, Apple has sunk in a bad hole. I hope IBM won't sink another hole in Apple. Apple seems to prefer a single company to do a single type of processor.Originally posted by groovebuster
That's not true... The G3s are coming from IBM since Motorola introduced the G4s. And they did a fantastic job on designing a processor with low "fuel consumption"...