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SAIRUS

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Tim: Those weak pathetic fools, I didn’t move their due dates.
Christopher Lambert: I don’t think so!
VP 1: How much are we paying to have Christopher Lambert here just to respond to Tim?
VP 2: Actually not that much. In fact sometimes he pays us.
VP 1: Can we replace him with someone-
Christopher Lambert: There can only be one!
VP 2: This never gets old.
 

patent10021

macrumors 68040
Apr 23, 2004
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I came here for the Woke vs Karens show.

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Biglethal69

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Feb 21, 2019
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Why is this news? Our company, and others would be encouraging their employees to get vaccinated, and wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone had to be away from work for a short while, it would definitely be paid.
Because it’s called macrumors. An no a lot of companies won’t pay you to go get vaccinated you gotta go in your own time on your own days off. Good on you Apple for continuing to be one of the front runners.
 
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Biglethal69

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Feb 21, 2019
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Ya, that extra hour of pay will make a huge difference.
Ohh give them a break in some places you can take more than half an hour to get to a vaccination centre might have to wait an hour to get vaccinated and half an hour back an apple offering to pay sounds like you just need to pull your head in go get vaccinated Of your money to charity that you missed out on
 

genovelle

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May 8, 2008
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Paid time off to get vaccinated? Evil socialism! That's the scary stuff they do in Europe, not in the States.
Scary? You mean it’s better to have to miss work and not get paid. Wait, this is sarcasm isn’t it?
 

No5tromo

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Feb 17, 2012
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Make sure you have your vaxpass to even enter the building eventually.
That's the real reason behind these news, not that Apple is having a socialistic epiphany all of a sudden. For what is worth the outcome is positive.
 

Stella

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Apr 21, 2003
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Canada
Because it’s called macrumors. An no a lot of companies won’t pay you to go get vaccinated you gotta go in your own time on your own days off. Good on you Apple for continuing to be one of the front runners.
Depends which country you are living in.. and what job type.
 

Complex757

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Sep 10, 2016
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NO, THEY NEED TO STAY OUT OF THIS COVID MESS.. UNDER STEVE, APPLE NEVER EVER GOT INVOLVED WITH POLITICS SUCH AS COVID OR INFLUENCING THE COUNTRY.. APPLE NEEDS TO STAY THE *** OUT !
Ummmmm, yeah the capital letters really emphasize your point. Good job.
 

psac

macrumors 6502a
Jul 6, 2009
911
743
Apple just wants the 5G chip in the vaccine to help get better reception on the phones, so this way once everyone gets vaccinated they can put less components in the phones themselves and they can save money that way, way more than they're "giving up" through the paid vaccine time!!!

;)
 

seek3r

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Aug 16, 2010
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I think that's highly dependent on the position/job and company. I know people that consider on-site work as a perk. Your own 50 sq. ft. office with a pair of 27" monitors, great furniture, access to company facilities, ergonomist, brewed coffee, restaurants, etc. Not to mention the much needed social connections at the workplace.

A different perspective that’s not in any way unique in tech: In most of the tech field open floor plans have become the norm, private offices are rare even for directors and such, so I already had a habit of scheduling one of our meeting rooms or working from home on days I needed to concentrate. All of that means I’m not really looking forward to my boss trying to get us to come back to the office at some point. It’s a petri dish and less comfy than home.

At home in my apt I have a home office, a 34” ultra widescreen and a 27” monitor on my desk, full access to brewing my own coffee or going out to a coffee shop, access to restaurants, etc - all the perks you’re touting for going in and no commute.

I have no desire or need to come in and given I’ll have been doing my job for give or take 18 months fully remote by the time we do reopen the office it’s pretty clear I can do my job just fine from home.

Hell, even in the office pre-pandemic I spent half my day on zoom with folks in the company in other offices or fully remote members of the team, so it really doesnt matter if I’m in the office or not except that my boss probably wants to justify the rent on the office space eventually.
 
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amartinez1660

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Sep 22, 2014
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I love working from how but agree with you that there will be turnover. My contract us up in 2 years (if I leave the company without 2 years of service, I need to pay back my relocation - if they hired me during COVID, I never would have had to relocate) - relocating is one of the most stressful things you can do. Now, with companies embracing remote, there will 100% be people looking for a WFH opportunity. My office leader can't wait to get us all back in (none of the employees feel any reason, and neither do the executives to go back in). There will definitely be turnover. Even with these vaccines, you can still be a carrier of the virus even if you're vaccinated. Not in any rush to use the office fridge filled with other peoples food that they forget about; sitting next to someone that coughs, and sharing public bathrooms.
Same over here. Most people seem to have adapted quite well to work from home too. It is only mostly team leads, project producers and some managers alluding to people to go back asap with some weird ad-like message “we have been doing better than ever historically but we know you miss people, we know you want to go back, so we will work extra hard on that” of sorts... maybe brought by HR or above levels pressure or maybe it makes the jobs of those a lot harder or stressful, but the message is out of touch with reality.

I decided to equip myself with considerably better extra equipment paid out of my own pocket (and then got serious about personal projects after work) and have become to love it. Would maybe be down for Friday’s closing meetings and then go for beers at the end of the work day with the colleagues but that’s about it... dreading the day I’ll be dragged back.

If you're going to troll, at least do a smarter job of it. Socialism is about state control of the means of production, not the laudable actions of private corporations. As an ardent capitalist myself, I am happy to see Apple do this. But it's no more than what I expect of them. As small business owner myself, not necessarily thriving during COVID, I did exactly the same. I don't want there to be any barriers to any of my people getting vaccinated.
Agreeing here, the paid leave and squeezing donuts being equated to socialism and communism is largely wrong. If I “squeeze the socialism out of a donut” like some comments said, I’ll be very very disappointed. A donut is the product of capitalism, paid leave is the product of capitalism... in a communist country you don’t even take a paid leave, you just leave, even chain the leave for a month completely, you will be (maybe) paid nevertheless the same as before and the same as others since work output, merits and other efforts aren’t rewarded.
It’s the usual pitfall of taking into account an ideology at the last step and disregarding that the whole machine before it is another... i.e, ignored all about the workers, technology pipelines, automation, procurement, trials and errors, iterations and research for a hundred years, etc etc etc that made the donut today be mass produced for a tiny tiny fraction of the original cost to make it giftable so easily was in big part by rewarding hard work.

Also, kudos to you for thriving your business and your people to be in good health.
 
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IllinoisCorn

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There's currently no definitive, notable reduction in transmission due to vaccination (there are published anecdotes/thories -- but nothing definitive), due in large part to the relative newness of the strain(s), and therefore lack of historical data. There are excellent papers in Science, Nature, and of course other peer-reviewed academic journals.

Sharing this link just as a resource (there are many) where this is discussed:


Conclusion:

"There is no conclusive evidence to claim COVID-19 vaccines do not prevent people spreading the disease. Scientists are not yet sure of how the vaccine affects transmission – and this is currently undergoing research. People are still required to follow restrictions even after vaccination to account for this uncertainty."
I'm sorry---I should have been more clear--I wasn't referring to vaccines.

I can't remember where I read the damn piece (I am looking in my history for a link), but the article was talking about COVID mutations that for biological reasons are so mutated they can't be transmitted out of one person to another (or something like that). It wouldn't apply to all mutations, however.

I will keep looking. It was an interesting article.
 

IllinoisCorn

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I figure why they do it, a combination of retention, wanting to hire younger people who are going to benefit more from most of that stuff, and (when it comes to health benefits) weird tax reasons. Some companies are less about that and do pay mostly cash.
Presently, my firm pays my car note and gas as additional compensation.

I would probably just take the str8 cash if possible, however.
 

IllinoisCorn

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Sarcasm my friend. Sarcasm.
I guess I don't get the sarcasm.

Truly--what does any of this has to do with Socialism?

Are people saying Apple is socialist? I think that's laughable. Tim Cook is now a billionaire and I bet he swims in his gold coins at night like Scrooge McDuck. I certainly would.
 

hlfway2anywhere

Cancelled
Jul 15, 2006
1,544
2,338
I guess I don't get the sarcasm.

Truly--what does any of this has to do with Socialism?

Are people saying Apple is socialist? I think that's laughable. Tim Cook is now a billionaire and I bet he swims in his gold coins at night like Scrooge McDuck. I certainly would.
I think the sarcasm is that many of my fellow Americans throw an absolute fit anytime the government does anything that resembles helping others, and they always attach socialism and communism to their argument against “handouts”. The post you quoted was most likely poking fun at that mentality.
 

magicschoolbus

macrumors 68020
May 27, 2014
2,480
8,067
Same over here. Most people seem to have adapted quite well to work from home too. It is only mostly team leads, project producers and some managers alluding to people to go back asap with some weird ad-like message “we have been doing better than ever historically but we know you miss people, we know you want to go back, so we will work extra hard on that” of sorts... maybe brought by HR or above levels pressure or maybe it makes the jobs of those a lot harder or stressful, but the message is out of touch with reality.

I decided to equip myself with considerably better extra equipment paid out of my own pocket (and then got serious about personal projects after work) and have become to love it. Would maybe be down for Friday’s closing meetings and then go for beers at the end of the work day with the colleagues but that’s about it... dreading the day I’ll be dragged back.


Agreeing here, the paid leave and squeezing donuts being equated to socialism and communism is largely wrong. If I “squeeze the socialism out of a donut” like some comments said, I’ll be very very disappointed. A donut is the product of capitalism, paid leave is the product of capitalism... in a communist country you don’t even take a paid leave, you just leave, even chain the leave for a month completely, you will be (maybe) paid nevertheless the same as before and the same as others since work output, merits and other efforts aren’t rewarded.
It’s the usual pitfall of taking into account an ideology at the last step and disregarding that the whole machine before it is another... i.e, ignored all about the workers, technology pipelines, automation, procurement, trials and errors, iterations and research for a hundred years, etc etc etc that made the donut today be mass produced for a tiny tiny fraction of the original cost to make it giftable so easily was in big part by rewarding hard work.

Also, kudos to you for thriving your business and your people to be in good health.
Same here on the personal equipment. I’ve got 2 4k monitors at my desk, with 2 TVs (I work at a television network) - I don’t have anything near as nice at my desk. I actually prefer my home office- I never get dragged into morning meetings.. and don’t miss the office politics. Funny part about this going back into the office thing is the same person who never shows up to zoom calls is the one that can’t wait to be back into the office. Then they say we have bad communication because we’re not in the office. It’s like.. dude... you’re the last person to show up to an in person or zoom meeting anyway.. you just suck at communicating.
 
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hot-gril

macrumors 68000
Jul 11, 2020
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I think the sarcasm is that many of my fellow Americans throw an absolute fit anytime the government does anything that resembles helping others, and they always attach socialism and communism to their argument against “handouts”. The post you quoted was most likely poking fun at that mentality.
But it's not the government.
 

Phil77354

macrumors 68000
Jun 22, 2014
1,922
2,029
Pacific Northwest, U.S.
Not surprising at all. They want as many people to get vaccinated as possible.
agree
Why is this news? Our company, and others would be encouraging their employees to get vaccinated, and wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone had to be away from work for a short while, it would definitely be paid.
unfortunately, while most will be encouraging employees to get vaccinated, they won't necessarily provide additional time off
Usually standard sick leave covers this.
yes, but most companies have a fixed number of hours or days allowed each year for sick leave. And in many cases the total paid time off, sick plus for vacation or other personal reasons, is not that much (a couple of weeks). So getting even a couple of hours without needing to use part of that fixed allowance, is a real benefit.
Most larger organizations provide paid leave for medical/dental appointments. This shouldn't be any different.

If your vaccination produces temporary side effects, especially for D2, then sick leave covers it.
Sure, but see my previous comment above
I think the point is, it does not count against your standard sick time.
exactly my point (but you said it more succinctly)
I'm really surprised Apple isn't buying batches of the vaccines and bringing in nurses to administer them for employees.
Even if they could do it, eligibility would still be based on current phase and local conditions. And actually I think they could do it, they could contract with one of the pharmacies or another private medical provider and do it that way. But since their employees are mostly teleworking right now, it might not be any more efficient than what is already being set up and underway in their communities
The fact that this is newsworthy just shows how screwed up anything around health is in the United States. In Europe this is the most normal thing in the world.
That is an absolutely true and fair statement.

I've received both vaccine shots and drove 2 ½ hrs each way to get them, because when the vaccine distribution was first getting set up in my own local area, the available appointments were limited and you had to be very lucky to grab one before they were all gone. I found appointments available and it was important enough to me that I gladly took a full day (x 2) of my own personal paid time allowance to get vaccinated. The week after I received my second shot, my company announced that they would cover up to 2 hrs for any vaccine appointments, but it wasn't retroactive to when I received mine! Well, that's the breaks! I don't regret doing it that way or using part of my own paid time off allowance. I'm grateful to have been able to get the vaccinations when I did, and I feel a whole lot better now that I'm fully vaccinated and can relax (just a bit).
 
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