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mattspace

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Do you mean there is a white shadow trail following the white text as it's dragged across the black screen? Do you have a video or pics of this?
Think of the backlight as being composed of 1” square grid of individual lights. As soon as a single lit pixel enters that square, the whole square lights up, but the squares with no lit pixels stay dark. Black with an off backlight, is noticeably different to black with an on backlight.

Like the way pre-special-edition Star Wars had reddish matte boxes around all the tie fighters.
 
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ZombiePhysicist

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Do you mean there is a white shadow trail following the white text as it's dragged across the black screen? Do you have a video or pics of this?
Sure, here it is on the new 12" iPad which has more zones (https://wccftech.com/2021-ipad-pro-vs-pro-display-xdr-local-dimming-zones/) and is better than the current XDR.

You want to blow this up to full screen mode so you can see it better, it's tough to see in the smaller size. In particular, freeze it when you see the yellow guide lines show up horizontally and you see it turns on the the zone lights.

Also, if you have irregular shaped blocks, you'll see the halo's conform around them. For example, look at the lower text block when the yellow guide appears. It basically makes a handle with a thin light saber band of lighting halo around that weird block shape. It's significantly worse on the XDR display because it has way fewer zones compared to the new 12" iPad.

This just doesnt happen on on OLED.




And again, everyone here is missing it. 8k TVs are now dirt cheap and a way better option for most people. Way more resolution. Way more practical. Way more affordable.
 
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ZombiePhysicist

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Following up on my own thread, I'm thinking about this:



or these together might be better:




$2900 and $500 amazon kickback, so $2400. Seems like a killer deal. Anyone try this?
 
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deconstruct60

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Any specs / details?

Found this:


I wouldn't put much credence into the spin that got layered on top of a rumor there by 9to5mac.
It is probably not an eGPU in any normal sense. ( Running AirPlay 2 from an iPhone to a Roku streamer isn't an 'eGPU' in the common sense of the term. There is a GPU involved and it is external but they aren't substantively connected running generic app making calls to the TV's GPU. )

As much as that is probably "detached from reality", the assertion that this will replace the XDR is about equally fanciful and unmotivated by rational observation of the leak.

At least as likely as being there for an 'eGPU' would be as an option to complete "Universal Control" as a wireless KVM option.

"...

Universal Control4

Use your keyboard, mouse, and trackpad across Mac and iPad​

Use a single keyboard, mouse, or trackpad to work between your devices. ...
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First, you need to get the iPad and Mac relatively close to each other. Universal Control is built off of the same Continuity and Handoff features that have long been a part of iOS and macOS. When the devices are close enough, their Bluetooth modules let each other know.....

Then, you start up Universal Control by dragging your mouse pointer all the way to the left or right edge of your Mac’s screen, then a little bit beyond that edge. When you do, the Mac will assume that you’re trying to drag the mouse over to another device, in this case the iPad....
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... At this point, a Wi-Fi Direct connection is made and the iPad will show a small bar on the side with a little bump. ..."



Right now "Universal Control" only does 'K' and 'M". It is missing 'V'. Tossing an A13 into a monitor could be similar to the partial motivation behind Apple tossing the T1 into a Mac. ( it is here to do some other stuff so let's also do a touch bar ).

So an Apple monitor with wireless 'V' is on your desk. You plug in a laptop. So that is one input ( still keeping with Apple's dogma of one and only one physical input socket) . There is a Mac Mini to the left and an iPhone to the right of the laptops. Push the cursor "over the edge" on the left and the monitor/keyboard/mouse all attach to the Mini ( which is running some rendering or other job want to check on and interact with). You get text message and push the cursor back through the Mini's workspace desktop edge but the laptop's also and get a mirror image on screen from phone. Type in text to respond to message and come back to laptop.


The new AppleTV 4K has an Apple A12 in it. An A13 would work well too in the roll of being an AirPlay2 (or perhaps there is an AirPlay 3 ) target. So no just local physical desktop video connection, but local area network wireless video too. For the growing segment of folks who stream close to 100% of all their "TV" entertainment... this could be an actual "Apple TV with screen" as a side effect of including the Apple Silicon.


Third, Apple's new AR/VR combo goggles are reportedly deeply vested in leveraging wireless video.



If the A14, and A15 are compressing and broadcasting video using a mix of Apple GPU and Neural core tricks then a A13 could be able to decode that kind of video stream too without the specifics of the goggle's more customized decode chip. Or .... the Monitor could just use the goggle's instead of this A13 when this monitor gets out of the protoyping stage. if Apple is looking for a relatively much higher volume device to stick those customer SoCs into to drive the economies of scale costs down on ... a monitor would work. The goggles probably have the ability to be an AirPlay video target too.

If apple is building a custom " D-series" SoC for their "display monitors" ( like the VR googles) then they could be tossing it into a more mainstream monitor also.

In short, the A13 (or some follow on Apple Silicon variant ) there is pretty likely going to be leveraged to get deeper traction into the rest of the Apple product ecosystem. That would run hugely counter to that Apple Silicon doing anything that actually covers more in the value utility the XDR monitor covers. This wireless video quality is not going to be wired XDR quality. It is more likely going to be "good enough" (e.g., Apple Sidecar wireles mode which is 30Hz or something like that. WiFi 6E may help that over time.).


P.S. Apple has put about zero effort so far into bringing eGPU to macOS on M-series. Apple didn't no eGPU device development under their own branding on macOS on intel. ( Collaborated with Blackmagic on a couple of their eGPUs , but Apple wasn't doing industrial design or physical implementation work there at all. )

The next gen XDR should be heading toward wired DisplayPort 2.0 ( and maybe HDMI 2.1 if get off of the only one input obsession.. ) . If 8K gets traction as a broad market deliver platform in 4-5 years then current 6K isn't going to hold up well over next 10 years as the resolution. As much as Apple would like to make all wired connectivity go away over time, this is the wrong end of the product spectrum for that.
 
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deconstruct60

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Thank you for the detailed response. Sounds like it's about color fidelity and low-light & low-key photography/videography that the XDR shines. And you're exactly right the old Cinema 30" displays were the flagship pro display till the XDR and it did
'Flagship' ? The 30" was discontinued in July 2010. It has been solidly on Apple's Obsolete list for 2-3 years and vintage list for more than that. The 30 incher's 400 nits brightness , 700:1 contrast ratio and only 8-bit color were blown out of the water long before the XDR came along.

As a more expensive monitor than most other offerings ? Yes.


The matte screens have done the job, can't see why Apple feels the need to gouge people for the "nano" option, with the fancy name to justify the USD $1,000 price tag.

part of that is volume. The iMac started off with $500 for nano texture glass. it is now $300. The XDR's are almost in the "made to order" category. While pre-deployed to a narrow set of stores , it primarily still takes weeks for one to arrive when ordered. So there is a "low volume" tac.

Matte finishes dull out the color and brightness . If paying $2K more to get more colors and more brightness , then probably are going to need something out of the ordinary not to flush what you just paid a lot extra for back out again.


the non-matte screen has like a less than 2% reflectivity ratio. Not chasing out the "easy" stuff with this finish.




Lets see what Apple announces in Sept / Oct. Hoping the new XDR with SoC will not be more expensive,

Probably not new XDR this year. They have used their own super custom backlight that no one else is using. A resolution that no one else is using. nano texture no one else is using. All this expensive stuff they are going to want to get paid back many times over. Apple is probably in no hurry at all to stop production on these or work on a new one. The display research resources are likely all deployed to laptops, watches , and iMacs at higher priority weightings.

The SoC probably has nothing particularly relevant at all to do with "XDR" . ( pretty good chance it has something to do with wireless video. )



and the more affordable external display will be at least 30" and have a matte option to be the upgrade for the old 30" cinema display as a second tier display, with the SoC XDR display as the top-tier to compete with the likes of the EIZO ColorEdge

If Apple start adding some relatively specialized SoC to displays to assist in wireless all the new ones would problem get them. Even the more affordable one. Probably a $100-200 uplift to the costs to the users (kind of like the 'touchbar tax' on the MBP models ).

Whether nano-texture goes into the "more affordable" monitors probably will come down to volume. Apple added it to 27" iMac screens. If the more affordable panel is the same one used in a newer iMac then there probably is enough volume to do it in the "display docking station" as well as the iMac.
 
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sparkie7

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'Flagship' ? The 30" was discontinued in July 2010. It has been solidly on Apple's Obsolete list for 2-3 years and vintage list for more than that. The 30 incher's 400 nits brightness , 700:1 contrast ratio and only 8-bit color were blown out of the water long before the XDR came along.

As a more expensive monitor than most other offerings ? Yes.

Nothing was as large as the ACD 30" till the XDR was released. Everything in between was smaller. And for a long time glass - which meant looking at your reflection rather than your work
 
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