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Apple Removes Unofficial WikiLeaks Application From App Store [Updated]
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Yea so everyone should keep believe the lies of the politicians and they should keep safe us from the truth by keeping certain documents classified...
Wikileaks just released everything they get, they asked the white house for help to censor sensitive information like names, but they refused.
Also the "rape" charges are "Sex By Surprise" meaning the condom broke and he kept going. These charges were only brought after he released all the info, convenient. Rape is really tossed around loosely these days, I personally think its offensive to people who have actually gotten rapped.
Also the "rape" charges are "Sex By Surprise" meaning the condom broke and he kept going. These charges were only brought after he released all the info, convenient. Rape is really tossed around loosely these days, I personally think its offensive to people who have actually gotten rapped.
There are no charges. JA is wanted by the Swedish authorities for questioning. He hasn't been charged with anything yet.
Nobody understands what that means anymore. I was in a bar a couple years ago and a street person came inside and decided he was going to set up shop- put out his coffee can for tips and started playing a guitar.
When management asked him to leave, he started yelling about free speech and how the 1st Amendment was being violated.
While that is an extreme example and ridiculous to you or I, it hopefully helps others who aren't so educated on the matter realize how ridiculous their comments are.
The 1st Amendment protects the bar owner... his establishment is private property and the government has no right to tell him what he can or cannot say in that location.
Every government that has existed on the face of the planet has retained the right to secrecy. Was General Washington's army expected to publicly disclose plans of a sneak attack on the British? It is not for the common man to decide what is classified and what is not. If you do not like what your government is doing, perhaps you have elected the wrong group of people.
So you support the leak of vital locations deemed important for national security putting peoples lives at risk by making them a possible target for attack?
Vital locations for national security? If they agreed to work with wikileaks they could have taken these out, I support the release of information like the 15,000 more civilians that were killed that they just "left out".
Well, after it's public, I can repeat it, because that's Freedom of Speech. WikiLeaks didn't release anything, they just passed it on. Maybe a bit more to the point, this stuff probably had no need to be created in the first place. Mostly civil servants writing endless emails describing the obvious.
Why would any government help out in leaking their own classified documents?
I am sorry, but wikileaks should be smart enough to realize not to leak locations deemed important for national security without our governments help.
You need to brush up on your Swedish law (there are, at least, four classes of sexual misconduct and none of them directly translate as rape.)
Also, wikileaks is NOT in violation of any law. Nor is Assange, and even if he was, he's an Australian citizen and the US won't be able to prosecute him.
So therefore, in order of 'correctness', I'd argue our responses to this article should be (until we have information to say otherwise)
1) Hmm.. this is interesting. I'd like to see how this turns out/if apple let us know what was up.
2) The most logical conclusion is that it broke the rules as laid out simply here: http://log.emonk.net/post/2400609317/heres-the-simple-reason-why-an-app-that-costs-two
3) Apple pulled it for political reasons.
But for some reason, people seem willing to jump to 3 straight away. There is absolutely NO proof whatsoever of it, and to make it worst people get all fired up about it, the story runs all over the place and misinformation is spread. You wouldn't get that with 1 or 2. And yes, whilst I admit that number 2 is an assumption, it is a much more educated opinion given that we have the exact rule that this app broke right in front of us.
I can understand Apple’s donation policy. Any old developer could “say” that part of the proceeds goes to some trendy charity, thus boosting sales, and then pocket the money.
Apple’s preferred method of donating directly to the organization dodges this, and makes app-based donation just like any other kind of online giving, with the app being no more than a free gateway.
P.S. I can’t side with the government when it comes to keeping information away from me. When it comes time to vote (or protest, or write letters, or start an awareness campaign, or give up and start abusing cough syrup) I WANT to know that my tax dollars are out there killing unarmed civilians by helicopter.
As for the locations vital to the US, WikiLeaks is hardly the only way to figure that out, and hiding them is hardly the only way to defend them. The truth is worth more, and politicians’ motivations for hiding the truth are not pure. It’s an unpleasant grey area, as is often the case with security, and we shouldn’t pretend it’s simpler than it is (but we humans are greatly comforted by false simplicity).
Apple’s preferred method of donating directly to the organization dodges this, and makes app-based donation just like any other kind of online giving, with the app being no more than a free gateway.
P.S. I can’t side with the government when it comes to keeping information away from me. When it comes time to vote (or protest, or write letters, or start an awareness campaign, or give up and start abusing cough syrup) I WANT to know that my tax dollars are out there killing unarmed civilians by helicopter.
As for the locations vital to the US, WikiLeaks is hardly the only way to figure that out, and hiding them is hardly the only way to defend them. The truth is worth more, and politicians’ motivations for hiding the truth are not pure. It’s an unpleasant grey area, as is often the case with security, and we shouldn’t pretend it’s simpler than it is (but we humans are greatly comforted by false simplicity).
It is likely a combo of:
Their basic avoidance of appearing to take sides on hot issues
Possible 'assistance' charges if criminality is determined in the whole matter
That Igor is selling something that is free on the web
The app just copies something off the web (which is against terms right there)
Igor is apparently not actually associated with the wikileaks group and therefore might o be giving them an cut as claimed
The issue of a 'forced donation' via selling the app
I'm above average when it comes to tested intelligens, but I don't know what that has to do with anything.
He isn't accused of rape (that is undebatable) and no country has yet prosecuted him(/Wikileaks), because they can't.
so you dont think a goverment should take any blame for having that sort of info available internally so freely that a private can get access to it with no problem.
not only that but copy the information and remove it from the building , none of that even worries you just what the information states
Quite possibly, but if that were the case, why didn't Apple say this to the developer?
Like I said, I can support leaking any documents showing corruption or illegal activity( such as that helicopter incident), but it doesn't mean they can release anything and everything. If they were just leaking the documents showing corruption and illegal activity, I would be behind them 100%. But, they are not. It doesn't matter if it isn't the only way to figure out the locations vital to the US, the fact is they did release those locations and I can't support them because of that.
Which freedom did setting back the course of international diplomacy ten years advance?
While I'm not sure if wikileaks has done anything illegal, I am absolutely sure it has done several immoral things. Aside from the difficult-to-prove-before-someone-gets-shot issue of putting diplomatic/military/civilian cooperators at danger, the leaks "exposed" careful, intelligent and frank classified discussions. These diplomatic cables have only demonstrated a rational and well-grounded American evaluation of world affairs and diplomacy, and wikileaks (and the leaker) have served no purpose but to encourage the US and its diplomatic staff to become less transparent, and less hones tin their evaluations.
Congratualations wikileaks and its supporters, you have succeeded in making American diplomacy MORE opaque and clandestine - and probably less effective at solving issues without bullets. Good job on that whole core values of freedom of speech and transparency thing.
PS - Isn't it ironic that 90% of the other countries in the world do NOT protect what they did, as the US does?
So Apple is the US Government's 'Bitch' who is willing to sell out it's supposed alternative hippie morals to keep turning a buck. So much for freedom of speech and the USA being the "Land of the free, home of the brave" - what a load of *************!!
1984 has arrived - and Jobs is the sinister Minister of Truth !!!
1984 has arrived - and Jobs is the sinister Minister of Truth !!!
Of course they should take blame for their piss poor job of keeping these documents secure, but I was replying to the poster saying our government had the opportunity to help Assange filter out any info that would people in danger, etc. I was saying why would any government help Assange out in leaking those documents and he should be smart enough to filter out that information on his own without our governments help.
It matters when the business is supposed to be a service provider of sorts that is indifferent.
I'm not discussing the App store, which is actually a little different, but Visa, Mastercard, and PayPal have historically never analyzed the transactions of their customers. You can still make donations to the Ku Klux Klan over PayPal! The fact that they're exclusively singling out WikiLeaks is siding with a political agenda. If they were banning all controversial parties from all countries, it'd be different.
Apple, on the other hand, has historically banned controversial things (even political comic apps) from the App Store, so it is less surprising.
Where?
Show me one.
Have you actually read through any of the cables? AFAIK no one has been able to actually show a single person that is put in danger by these cables, outside of danger to their reputation.
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They show plenty of illegal activity. If you have not seem it mentioned it is because you don't want to. They also show plenty of other stuff. I guess Wikileaks could just cherry pick stuff to embarrass the US but that isn't their way.
dont you think though that since they did such an appalling of keeping the information secure the least they could have done is to then work with wiki leaks to try to solve the problem they created , not saying your opinion is wrong just think the goverment has dropped the ball twice. once by not keeping things secure they want secure and then by not working out a way to filter the secure stuff out.