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Naraxus

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Oct 13, 2016
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How could China and Apple get along for so long? They seem on a irreconcilable trajectory path and the thing is going to burn and crash sooner or later...
Google does not operate in China for a reason.
Because China builds Cooks products on the cheap with slave labor so we get what we have now: Cook talking tough on humanitarian issues but cowering behind "We follow the rules in the countries we do business with" when China is concerned.
 

madrigal77

macrumors 6502a
Aug 2, 2018
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Everyone needs to stop doing business with China. My work used to deal with Chinese companies, but they were always constantly dishonest and trying to cheat us, so we went with local companies instead. You pay more, but it's not worth the aggravation. Not surprised at all that these companies are trying to do something shady.
 

bobmans

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Feb 7, 2020
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Because China builds Cooks products on the cheap with slave labor so we get what we have now: Cook talking tough on humanitarian issues but cowering behind "We follow the rules in the countries we do business with" when China is concerned.
Slave labor?
Repetitive work isn't slave labor.
 
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SevenSeas

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Jan 29, 2016
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The sea of change
At this juncture in history Apple just needs to build China specific devices in their own walled garden. Apple gets to stay in the Chinese market while those in the west that value privacy and security are not forced into trade offs for a market we do not wish to be a part of.
 
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femike

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Oct 15, 2011
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US-based ad corporations (Facebook included) are also working on circumventing Apple's tracking feature, but China of course is getting the negative attention.
 

Darmok N Jalad

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Sep 26, 2017
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Tanagra (not really)
How could China and Apple get along for so long? They seem on a irreconcilable trajectory path and the thing is going to burn and crash sooner or later...
Google does not operate in China for a reason.
From what I gather, Google dropped out because they basically got shut down by the great firewall years ago. Even then, they appear to be trying to start back up under a different arrangement. These big corporations can't leave these large markets alone. It's just sad how all they seem to shift their ethics to accommodate whatever suits them best. We're all playing with snakes, I'm afraid.
 
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bobbie424242

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May 16, 2015
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Apple produces hardware at a far greater scale than Google does, and of course a lot of that is in China. But Google Pixel phones are made in China too, at least for now.
Understood, but I meant that Google does not operate the Google Play Store in China (nor Google Search for that matter).
 

dontwalkhand

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Jul 5, 2007
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Phoenix, AZ
I have deleted TikTok after installing it to see what the hubbub was about. Knowing they want to implement CAID, further cemented this decision.

same with Facebook and Google search.
 
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koruki

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Aug 16, 2009
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I know the market is too big and Apple would never even consider it (especially considering all the products assembled there), but in a perfect world, Apple should just pull out of China. Let Google have it. More trouble than it's worth.
Googles already had the boot years ago
 

az431

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Sep 13, 2008
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Portland, OR
Apple is so reliant on China they don't really have any leverage to enforce much of anything do they?

Chinese app developers are reliant on Apple to make money, so seems that Apple has the leverage here.

But maybe that argument only works when you're alleging antitrust violations.
 

koruki

macrumors 65816
Aug 16, 2009
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New Zealand
cuz China managed to make everyone dependent on them. Why do you think everyone is being so quiet about their camps. And people wonder how the Nazis could operate their concentration camps for so long. Ignorance and blind eyes are a bliss when you are in business with them
So what was the world depending on the Nazi's for?
 

velocityg4

macrumors 604
Dec 19, 2004
7,330
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Georgia
Would it be possible for Apple to design iOS to generate burner identifiers apps see? Something the user turns on. That way even if apps circumvent the rules. They don’t know if they are seeing the real identifiers or the burner identifiers the phones generated for the app.
 

az431

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cuz China managed to make everyone dependent on them. Why do you think everyone is being so quiet about their camps. And people wonder how the Nazis could operate their concentration camps for so long. Ignorance and blind eyes are a bliss when you are in business with them

Yes because gassing millions of people is exactly like Chinese developers grabbing the IMEI off your phone.
 
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az431

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Would it be possible for Apple to design iOS to generate burner identifiers apps see? Something the user turns on. That way even if apps circumvent the rules. They don’t know if they are seeing the real identifiers or the burner identifiers the phones generated for the app.

No, you can't fake an IMEI. For one, it's illegal, and second, there are legitimate uses for an IMEI.
 
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