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Apples new internal drive system (not Serial ATA) but this is just testing stuff
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Not to start any "you don't know what you're talking about" arguements but cable select works on Mac too but you still have to play with jumpers once which is more technical than just putting the hard drive in and having it work.
My g4 might be older, but I do know that if I leave both drives' jumpers on cable select, I never end up seeing them. Putting them that way in my PC, and they're seen. I'm just speaking from EXACT personal experience. If this isn't the case with newer macs, then my apologies.
What G4 you have??? I am using a PM 533 (Digital Audio Series) and I have used cable select before.
In my experience with PCs, not all HDs or ATA controllers behave the same with the cable select setup. Some require one drive to be master, some require both to be explicitly set, and some are just fine using cable select.
It's more of a crap shoot than anything else, unfortunately.
Well considering we all know Steve has been able to almost perfect the Reality Distortion Field over the years, this seems like a likely rumor. Gravity distortion seems like it would be even easier than reality. I just hope they don't have problems with hair line cracks showing up in the Oblisk's case. THAT is what killed the cube. Any mention about a quieter fan than the current G4's? Or will it even need them?
cheers!
-John
400 Sawtooth. Cable Select has never worked for me. I've always had to select master and slave, as it's always a pain, b/c not all drives illustrate jumper settings on the drive, and i always end up having to look it up on the manufacturer's website. I think almost all new ata drives though have the illustrations now.
Re: Re: Re: you know what deal with it
I think you missed the part where I said those of you who care about spelling, grammar, etc. to get over it (and the partial sarcasm). And yes, I too find it ironic that I misspelled CAPITALS. Even after I noticed my mistake, I left it in there. I stand behind my statement that it's kind of hard to take him too seriously. I don't think it was as bad a flame as some others obviously did, and (unlike you, ironically enough) I don't think I personnaly attacked anyone. Read my second post to this thread.
So no, I won't suck it.
And I'm not living in a glass house, because I'm not getting all mad because people won't believe me when I say something stupid that can't possibly happen (there, that was a personnal attack). And unlike this poster, I can take being flamed. I screwed up, and I made a mistake (my sig is just a Dennis Miller joke, I do know that I make mistakes).
Sue me.
So tell me, do you think DJ_TRicks is actually right about this?
I think you missed the part where I said those of you who care about spelling, grammar, etc. to get over it (and the partial sarcasm). And yes, I too find it ironic that I misspelled CAPITALS. Even after I noticed my mistake, I left it in there. I stand behind my statement that it's kind of hard to take him too seriously. I don't think it was as bad a flame as some others obviously did, and (unlike you, ironically enough) I don't think I personnaly attacked anyone. Read my second post to this thread.
So no, I won't suck it.
And I'm not living in a glass house, because I'm not getting all mad because people won't believe me when I say something stupid that can't possibly happen (there, that was a personnal attack). And unlike this poster, I can take being flamed. I screwed up, and I made a mistake (my sig is just a Dennis Miller joke, I do know that I make mistakes).
Sue me.
So tell me, do you think DJ_TRicks is actually right about this?
You are kidding, right?
Master/slave, watch what you put on the same channel...that's about it.
For scsi you have the id's and termination with termination being the tough one for people to get right most of the time. Now is that passive termination or active? Why don't I need to add a terminator to this cable? It's built in now? Oh, and which device should be closer to the adapter so that speed is not reduced? You mean it doesn't matter with this spec? Well it did with the old spec. But now it depends on how old the first device in the chain is.
Not really, they don't understand where to plug in the cable how/where to move the little bridges on the pins to set up the ATA drive or where and how to install the drive in the computer.
Just because you think it's cake, doesn't mean somebody else will get confused pluging in the airport cards and/or memory sticks.
Remember there is still a group of people that takes their computer to somebody for upgrades and program installations. And anything involving opening the computer is very scary for them.
Which means that for them adding an external Firewire drive may be something they can handle. Adding an external scsi drive may be something they can handle with tech support, but an internat ATA drive...
And yes, adding multiple internal SCSI drives would rank way out of bounds for these people.
Just imagine the horror for them when they see what's involve for a HD swap in the new iMac/eMac machines where improper use of thermal paste can really mess you up.
Originally posted by Chisholm
Well considering we all know Steve has been able to almost perfect the Reality Distortion Field over the years, this seems like a likely rumor. Gravity distortion seems like it would be even easier than reality. I just hope they don't have problems with hair line cracks showing up in the Oblisk's case. THAT is what killed the cube. Any mention about a quieter fan than the current G4's? Or will it even need them?
cheers!
-John
No fan. Some sort of ionic cooling. Charges the air particles at the inlet and uses magnets/gravity to pull the air through. I'm not sure what the case was made of. Maybe just some sort of forcefield.
But if you go separating ions, wouldn't that create a bunch of dust bunnies when the negative ions attach? Maybe an enclosed system with freon cooling would work.
And could the force field case be opened so I can put a silly colored neon light inside to impress my lame friends? This is important to me. I hope Steve is listening.
Is this off topic? Sorry, didn't feel like bashing poor Grand Flash Master DJ_Rickey any more. Give the boy a break already!
Originally posted by Chisholm
But if you go separating ions, wouldn't that create a bunch of dust bunnies when the negative ions attach? Maybe an enclosed system with freon cooling would work.
And could the force field case be opened so I can put a silly colored neon light inside to impress my lame friends? This is important to me. I hope Steve is listening.
Is this off topic? Sorry, didn't feel like bashing poor Grand Flash Master DJ_Rickey any more. Give the boy a break already!
I don't know about all the inside working after all this was just a dream that Steve Jobs invaded. I'm sure Steve is listening to your imput right now. He can see your through your monitor you know.
Not that I consider myself an expect, but having read a lot of articles on new ATA technologies I have 2 cents to throw in here. No drive is fast enough to saturate a ATA100 bus, but ATA133 buses show an obvious (but not amazing) benefit. The drives can use this speed for internal transfers and other communication. It's not necessary moving data back and forth, but it's signally can move faster allowing the drive to work faster. That all said hard drive are slow. We all know that. Anyone with a Tibook knows that. The drives suck.
Ideas!!!
First off I'm glad that the later posts in this thread have chilled a bit.
First off in the Capital world, as someone mentioned before, its Freedom of Speech. However, just as rapper Ice T. said in one of his songs, the remaining part to that is ..."just watch what you say". What I mean is that when someone has an idea, that isnt popular, the massive will jump shout scream and riddicule in protest to make that person feel small or recant their idea to follow the norm. Sad that this has happened in this forum, because as I recall we're all Mac heads here right? At least the Majority of us?! And does any of us Mac heads remember Apples slogan "Think Different"????!!!!???? Ponder that a moment please before any of this ridicule continues, please.
Sorry but I felt that was important to everyone including myself!
I'm new to the Mac world in usuage but have always admired the features and technology that went into Macs. I have no idea how this cable thing with switches and the ATA Hard Drive works, but I do remember hating the more than one HDD jumper ordeal of the old PC world--highly annoying.
Also, How does any of say can say FOR SURE that a FIREWIRE CHANNEL HARD-DRIVE doesnt exist? Dont know about any of you but most research departments in corporations dont publicly announce their new technologies with patents secured first and them being close to an actual working prototype.
Also, does anyone remember the first MacWorld broadcast of the XServe that Steve #### did, announcing that the XServe actually has a Rapid IO channel 6.4Gbps port within it??? Can anyone confirm this?? ALso what would this port be used for? connecting to the RAID Drives slated for the XServe? or is it for the Hard-Drive internal that is mentioned in this rumor thread?? Lastly, Maxtor has ATA/150 MBps HDD already on the market---currently the only ones, while IBM is ready to release 7400RPM HDD for laptops--FINALLY!!!!!
Please keep thinking different, its what sets us out among the rest.!!
First off I'm glad that the later posts in this thread have chilled a bit.
First off in the Capital world, as someone mentioned before, its Freedom of Speech. However, just as rapper Ice T. said in one of his songs, the remaining part to that is ..."just watch what you say". What I mean is that when someone has an idea, that isnt popular, the massive will jump shout scream and riddicule in protest to make that person feel small or recant their idea to follow the norm. Sad that this has happened in this forum, because as I recall we're all Mac heads here right? At least the Majority of us?! And does any of us Mac heads remember Apples slogan "Think Different"????!!!!???? Ponder that a moment please before any of this ridicule continues, please.
Sorry but I felt that was important to everyone including myself!
I'm new to the Mac world in usuage but have always admired the features and technology that went into Macs. I have no idea how this cable thing with switches and the ATA Hard Drive works, but I do remember hating the more than one HDD jumper ordeal of the old PC world--highly annoying.
Also, How does any of say can say FOR SURE that a FIREWIRE CHANNEL HARD-DRIVE doesnt exist? Dont know about any of you but most research departments in corporations dont publicly announce their new technologies with patents secured first and them being close to an actual working prototype.
Also, does anyone remember the first MacWorld broadcast of the XServe that Steve #### did, announcing that the XServe actually has a Rapid IO channel 6.4Gbps port within it??? Can anyone confirm this?? ALso what would this port be used for? connecting to the RAID Drives slated for the XServe? or is it for the Hard-Drive internal that is mentioned in this rumor thread?? Lastly, Maxtor has ATA/150 MBps HDD already on the market---currently the only ones, while IBM is ready to release 7400RPM HDD for laptops--FINALLY!!!!!
Please keep thinking different, its what sets us out among the rest.!!
with regards to the new cooling system ,think about the overclocking possiblities. I heard that apples new g5 chips were ging to be so cool that they have prototype quad-laptops in their labs. I got a look and used one. The only problem was that the 19" widescreen made it a bit clumsy on my lap but oh well.
Let the rumors fly. And all of you loosers out their who hammered the little fellow, we are here to <i>discuss</i> and have a bit of fun.
Let the rumors fly. And all of you loosers out their who hammered the little fellow, we are here to <i>discuss</i> and have a bit of fun.