Oof. Not good. Perhaps there is a mod to make that container writable? SIP was implemented in part to force us to toward stock applications. The inability to delete these applications was easily circumvented with terminal code.
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Oof. Not good. Perhaps there is a mod to make that container writable? SIP was implemented in part to force us to toward stock applications. The inability to delete these applications was easily circumvented with terminal code.
SIP exists to protect the system, not to force anyone to use stock apps. you can use other mail apps, browsers, etc without issue (and certainly, without disabling SIP).
Yes. SIP is not a problem. And I'm not sure how many apps (and which ones) are located in locked-container. But fiddling in there is a sure no no. That container is read-only, and T2 chip watches integrity, just in case.
Of course you'll be able to install apps; they'll go to Data container (read/write).
Hacking this thing (and I've never done) to change some default basic system behaviour is impossible in Catalina. (Of course, you can "mod" things "over" the system, not into it).
right, but... what does this have to do with your original point? again, SIP protects the system, and does not force one to use stock apps. i ignore 60% of the stock apps, and no problem.
My original point was Mojave vs Catalina performance.
Along the way, I got to understand that there isn't apreciable difference, against losing features. The one I need is 32-bit compatibility.
I mentioned also that modifications in system are impossible in Catalina. (I rarely want or need to change things at deep level, anyway). Then, someone cited SIP... But I was thinking about tinkering with OS (SIP has very little to do with a "read-only" container I was pointing to). I'm not sure (info is scarce and confusing) how this changes things... But it's another more fact to consider (I'm staying in Mojave).
Just remarking a completely new start-up disk scheme I don't understand. (It seems few on Earth could explain). And that takes me again to my point, following thread title, as it's harder to perceive upgrading convenience.
Take a read (you can jump to Summary at the end of article):
https://eclecticlight.co/2019/10/02/security-changes-coming-in-catalina-whats-changed/
Upgrading to Catalina takes some risk, at least. IMHO
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what's the risk exactly? and catalina doesn't force you to stay with the built-in apps.
disabling SIP allows all sorts of
Well, Catalina is a new install. Just nuked the mojave install on other disk, as I moved everything to Catalina installation (apps, files, etc). Seems very responsive for that matter, didn't find any faults. After I upgraded desktop (which 8th generation i7 hackintosh btw), i upgraded my 2019 MacBook pro 13 inch. No more red flags, and I know I can move forward to newer apps with ease of mind.
sudo softwareupdate --ignore "macOS xyz"
defaults write com.apple.systempreferences AttentionPrefBundleIDs 0
works for me, softwareupdate accepted it ...
/Alexis
haha. really? hence?? catalina, like most mac os'es before it, improves upon the previous (ie mojave), and moves us forward... as, by the next OS, we will all be living in a 64bit world
Yes... I know what going forward means... (I started living in an 8bit world).haha. really? hence?? catalina, like most mac os'es before it, improves upon the previous (ie mojave), and moves us forward... as, by the next OS, we will all be living in a 64bit world
BUT still no answer about OP question:
Performance improvement? (If somebody knows).
Just in this thread, someone asked about iMovie performance difference. I asked about a very common HandBrake transcoding. My interests go also with GarageBand or Logic...
Answers received are about a Finder that feels snappier, and CPU benchmarking. Nice. Good. I can even understand that 32bit code takes space and should be deprecated in a near future. Thank you.
But some audio interfaces, some sound plug-ins (among a few other little apps) keep me tied to a 32/64bit world (not so bad?).
If performance were better in Catalina, I'm prepared to have a dual start-up system. My original plan was upgrading internal and staying Mojave on external!
But why should I? Sidecar? If everything works flawlessly now and there'll be no performance gain, but so many inconveniences that make some people go back to Mojave (an example in this same thread),
what's the secret of such a happy life in a 64bit only world?
I'll take silence as an answer.
... Man, I was expecting perhaps a "Hey, rendering is 10% faster!!" or similar. Or a link to a good specialised article. Or a personal experience with heavy work-flow.
It's not the case, OK.
Right now, Catalina is at V10.15.1, in terms of "stability". V10.15.2 is currently in beta testing, so maybe it will have some performance improvements. Myself, I have been doing some limited testing of Catalina (first V10.15, and now V10.15.1) on an external Samsung 860 EVO 500 gig SSD. Once I am booted to that SSD, my apps seem to run fine in Catalina. But so far, I am noticing much speed difference, if any, between V10.14.6 of Mojave (fully "matured") and V10.15.1 of Catalina. The new, Catalina-compatible version of SuperDuper! was released today, but I am still waiting for the Catalina-compatible version of TechTool Pro to be released. That could well be after V10.15.2 of Catalina is released, and maybe close to when V10.15.3 of Catalina will be released. When that happens, I will fully "convert" from Mojave to Catalina.
logic X (in catalina) is running better than it ever has; safari is definitely faster. all of this is my casual observation, of course, not benchmarked.
95% of the plugins i use in logic are 3rd party, and they all work. so (here at least) am happy to be on the new OS.
either way, this year, or next year (or...) you'll update; i mean, how many people are still on snow leopard (and especially, outside of the macrumors community)?
I ALWAYS update the Mac OS, through a complete new, virgin installation. For that reason, I will need to replace my late 2012 Mac Mini, as (most likely) Catalina will be the last version of the Mac OS that it can support.
how do you do this - a complete virgin install? i am running 10.14.6 and have a lot of junk files from old apps, etc. and would like to do a clean install.
I also did the same. Just create bootable usb, format Macintosh HD and install over it (assuming you have time machine backup already). After all running well, I did copy users’ documents and files manually from time machine backup. It does very manually, but that’s what I had been done most of the time, especially for major update.
First of all, I use SuperDuper! for my backups to two external Samsung 850 Pro SSDs, and it creates a bootable backup.
Secondly, here is how I go about this:
1. Download the latest full installation file of the new Mac OS. For example, I will most likely either start with the full OS 10.15.2 or OS10.15.3 full installer file for Catalina.
2. When that download completes, copy that file (in my Applications folder) to another location on my internal SSD. The reason I do this is that when one runs the installer from the Applications folder, it gets removed when the installation completes. I want to have a copy of it, just in case I need it. Most folks do not do this, and it can cause headaches later on.
3. After that copying, remove the one in the Applications folder. No sense wasting space.
4. Run Onyx, and TechTool Pro, to do final maintenance/cleanup tasks on my present system (OS 10.14.6, in my case).
5. Make SuperDuper! backups of that "clean" system to my external SSDs.
6. Restart the respective machine (I have 2 Macs) from that just completed backup.
7. On the backup, launch Disk Utility, and Erase and Format the internal SSD on the respective Mac.
8. Navigate to the saved OS installation file (the one i copied in step 2 above).
9. Launch that installation file, and do a clean, fresh, "virgin" installation onto the internal SSD erased and formatted in step 7.
10. When the installation completes, I am afforded the opportunity to migrate/copy needed files, folders, apps, settings, etc. from a backup. I select the just completed SuperDuper! backup that is on the external SSD I have been working from.
11. When that completes, I will be afforded the opportunity to restart my Mac from that "new" system.
12. In my particular case, I have 2 more tasks to need to complete once in my new system environment:
a. Remove the version of Onyx that is there, and install the new OS-specific version of Onyx.
b. Create an eDrive for TechTool Pro.
By doing all that, I have a clean, "mean" new system. Of course, I am doing disk cleanup everyday anyway (most of the time permanently removing deleted EMails I no longer need nor want).
While it does take some time, I have been following that procedure for so long, and it has always resulted in a clean, fresh new system that is trouble free. Of course, I also have insured that all my third party applications i use are compatible with the new OS (or in the case of Onyx, make sure the new version is downloaded, and install in in step 12a above.
i used to do clean installs... now i just update. and can't say i have any issues with the simpler procedure. the 12-step program above further convinces me that an update, ultimately, is a perfectly-fine thing to do.