He just thinks that some of these replies are blown a bit out of proportion. Some are, but this issue could lead to just about anything
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The slippery slope is not a fallacy, it's a reality.
Look at how the Feds have used RICO, the FISA court, surveillance, etc. Heck, look at how environmentalists destroyed the logging industry in Oregon. Look at the continuing restrictions on abortion.
The people who don't believe in the slippery slope don't understand that behind these actions are people with agendas. Those agendas are as real as the sunshine.
You don't think the FBI wants an encryption backdoor? Of course they do. Their job is to go from point A and point B, and whatever obstacle in between is something to be overcome at any cost. It's someone else's job (ie: ours) to make sure that those blocks are there, with policies and laws, etc.
This isn't TV, where stuff ends after one episode. People and groups work their agenda for years, decades, etc. They work their agendas long after the public and press start paying attention to a new shiny thing...on both the left and the right.
Observation:
Funny how bad a democratically elected government is to be trusted.
We do, however, trust a huge, global, pure commercial company.
Did you read the article though?
Apple showed them the source code to prove to China that they are not spying for the US.
If there was in fact a security flaw, the hacker community would have found it by now without source code lol.
The senate apparently has just decided NOT to prosecute Apple if they don't comply:
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2016/02...should-apple-fail-to-comply-with-court-order/
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2016/02...should-apple-fail-to-comply-with-court-order/
Well not exactly. That web site poorly worded its headline, wittingly or not. Congress is the legislative branch. They only write laws, they don't prosecute for breaking them. That's up to the administrative branch. What you linked to was an effort to write a law that would make companies legally liable in the future. Even if such a law passed (obviously there wasn't support for it) it would get tangled up in the courts for a few years. It wouldn't affect the current scenario.
But even now, if the magistrate's decision is affirmed after Apple's appeals are exhausted, Apple would have to comply or would be in contempt of court and TC could be jailed or Apple fined.
From reddit. Here's the slippery slope that one forum member didn't think existed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...etails-u-s-s-broader-strategy-to-crack-phones
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...etails-u-s-s-broader-strategy-to-crack-phones
I didn't understand the permission from owner part. The perp is dead. May be 5c without touch id is the issue, otherwise probably they could unlock when body is warm.
Main reason prosecutors are always careful because some hotshot defense attorney can get the case thrown out on a tiny technicality.
Again this is just PR stunt to sell more iOS devices to fan boys. In few months Apple encryption/data recovery expert will be secretly testifying in front of grand jury on how instrumental Apple was in helping this case.
That's a ridiculous proposition. It would never happen; that's way too long to be a headline
Not so ridiculous. Our government couldn't even keep personal information of MILLIONS of peoples background investigation information. China already has all that. Don't think if there was a backdoor into the iphone that China wouldn't be right in!
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EXACTLY! The FBI is using this as an excuse to get what they've wanted since Apple started encrypting phones. DON'T GIVE IN, TIM!
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On the contrary. This is the best advertising campaign Apple could ever have.
World wide support (except maybe the Chinese Govt) is with Apple on this one. The world is not just the US (which many there fail to appreciate).
It is only the ill informed and naive who think that Apple in the wrong here.
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This is what i've been telling others about. MS's backdoor....but no..they don't believe it.
No, the iPhone belongs to the suspect's employer and said employer has given consent to search the device. Even without that, as I said in my previous reply, the FBI doesn't need Apple's help to make the evidence "legal".
You think you know more than you actually do about the US legal system, huh?
Exactly right; which is why Apple didn't publicize this and the FBI did. It was all Apple's plan to get the FBI to bring the issue to the public view. Why would an expert be "secretly testifying" in a public investigation?
Maybe it's time to consider that not everything is a conspiracy.
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You may want to re-read my post.
FBI still struggling to unlock iPhone. They can't know that there's a guy on my local market who will do it for ten quid. Sorted!
Yeah, this just reminded me about that whole thing. I can't believe people still use that OS!
Support for what? Violating a legally issued order?
Guess banks should stop supporting police when they have a search warrant to search a safety deposit box. Guess I should just stop paying taxes. Guess banks should refuse to garnish wages from court rulings.
Oh wait.......
Guess banks should stop supporting police when they have a search warrant to search a safety deposit box. Guess I should just stop paying taxes. Guess banks should refuse to garnish wages from court rulings.
Oh wait.......
I remain surprised that in the age of internet-provided access to so much information, so much of the USA still seems inward-looking.
In the smaller cities and towns of the USA that still have a local daily paper, page one is what happened in the nearest big city, page 9 is international news off the AP or Reuters wires.
And now that we have news aggregation websites with self-selected focus, we also have the option of setting up even more compact "news" for our morning coffee: the sports scores and "entertainment" for instance.
And then there's talk radio... another world, where there is only one country and it's the greatest country on earth and don't you ever forget it and its rules which you heard there first: "Freedom fries" forever.
So I'm not surprised that there's a disconnect between what tech companies and the average Joe on the street in the USA may be thinking about the FBI v Apple case.
I know what they're requesting: I read the article. Let's not get too technical here; unlocking and decrypting, for all intents and purposes, means the same thing. But how does the gov't expect Apple to implement these requests if not decrypting/unlocking the phone first?
FBI still struggling to unlock iPhone. They can't know that there's a guy on my local market who will do it for ten quid. Sorted!
OK now this was funny as hell.
By the way, what does "sorted" refer to in your statement? I'm not familiar with the term as you use it above.
It means 'problem solved'.
The geezer on the McAfee's Mobiles stall says he will unlock me iPhone for a tenner or two for fifteen quid!
Bargain!
Yeh, maybe he means he'll brick the thing for you and hope you'll leave him with the parts.
This whole episode really tells me that the US Goverment is truly incompetent because they seem to need to look to Apple to unlock a GOVERMENT company iPhone the shooter had on him. This really supports my long time feeling that Goverment is inept at best (both parties are totally clueless)!
your right i'm not familiar with us civics at all but that wasn't at all part of my point either and none of what you say even matters to it.
Well, it kinda does. The problem is, as you admit you have zero idea about the structure or principles the U.S. was founded on so you really can't begin to understand. My suggestion is, before you pull facts out of thin air or make opinions that display your ignorance of American government, you maybe take a basic civics class -- you know, the one they use to teach in 7th grade about U.S. Constitution basics and the 3 branches of government and the power each holds and the checks they place on the other branches and how it relates to citizens.