It concerns me that you would - literally - lose sleep over anything Meta...It’s 4:29 AM, I woke up to write:
-The fine should have been $10.3 Billion Dollars.
-Never Ever TRUST Facebook.
-Shut down Facebook to save Humanity.
It concerns me that you would - literally - lose sleep over anything Meta...It’s 4:29 AM, I woke up to write:
-The fine should have been $10.3 Billion Dollars.
-Never Ever TRUST Facebook.
-Shut down Facebook to save Humanity.
Not with the Chinese government funneling dollars into U.S. policitcans’ back pockets. Wake up.Classic whataboutism response. Chinese privacy invasions are very much being looked at as well, most of those are just more difficult to track and block.
That’s what I was trying to say but you worded it better hahaThe main issue is the US government's refusal to give credible assurances about respecting european users' data privacy on US soil, reserving the right to invade it whenever they feel like it.
That is why the ludicrous Privacy Shield agreement was correctly found to be worthless as was its equally pointless successor: Both were just PR fig leaves without any actual effect.
That is not relevant to EU decisions.Not with the Chinese government funneling dollars into U.S. policitcans’ back pockets. Wake up.
For privacy?Wonder how many people cheer for this while say the EU oversteps when it comes to Apple
Yes, it mostly is. That is the fundamental part in "fundamental human rights"!But it isn't as simple as that.
There are pragmatic and plausible exceptions such as collection of as much data as is required to conduct a business relationship which has been initiated by a customer, who thus is aware of and agrees to the commercial entity having the data needed to perform the requested services.We could go scorched earth in the name of privacy and eliminate ALL data collection that isn't explicitly agreed to, but we'd cause far more harm than we'd solve with such a unilateral and simplistic view.
I'll love the day they piss off these tech companies enough to leave. Imagine the place with no Apple, Google, or Microsoft. Good luck getting any decent technology.This can have a huge impact on other companies as well. Google Analytics for example is already deemed illegal in the EU, yet businesses keep using it. Technically Office 365 or Teams would not even be allowed. I am sure even Apple is sending some data like the IP to the US (and yes, the EU deems an IP personal data)
It almost reads like they’re not saying “stop collecting data”, they’re saying stop collecting/storing it in the US where the US government can get to it. They’re, in effect, fine if some “other” government can get to it as long as the companies collecting/storing the data just aren’t in the US.The EU's focus is on regulation and they're rather ignorant on innovation, which is why they often don't see foresee the problems their regulatory flexing creates until it's way too late and innovation has moved elsewhere.
But it isn't as simple as that.
We could go scorched earth in the name of privacy and eliminate ALL data collection that isn't explicitly agreed to, but we'd cause far more harm than we'd solve with such a unilateral and simplistic view.
There'a always a line to be drawn, because life isn't about a single priority. It's an amalgamation of countless priorities and it's society's job how to best balance them all.
I'll love the day they piss off these tech companies enough to leave. Imagine the place with no Apple, Google, or Microsoft. Good luck getting any decent technology.
There DOES appear to be a decently long list of products/services provided by Apple that are only available in the US. They don’t have to leave, because it’s a decent chunk of change. BUT, there’s no laws saying that ALL their future products have to be offered there.I'll love the day they piss off these tech companies enough to leave. Imagine the place with no Apple, Google, or Microsoft. Good luck getting any decent technology.
I was going to say the only thing missing from this announcement was some zeros.It’s 4:29 AM, I woke up to write:
-The fine should have been $10.3 Billion Dollars.
-Never Ever TRUST Facebook.
-Shut down Facebook to save Humanity.
Nope. GDPR applies to all entities operating within the EU in whole or via subsidiaries.It almost reads like they’re not saying “stop collecting data”, they’re saying stop collecting/storing it in the US where the US government can get to it. They’re, in effect, fine if some “other” government can get to it as long as the companies collecting/storing the data just aren’t in the US.
If Facebook stopped operating within the EU that would be a massive net benefit!As with many things related to this type regulation, it’s mainly about how they can still make money on companies that, due to the regulatory regime of certain regions, are reluctant to do some of the work they do in those regions.
As a retired analytical scientist, you don’t understand how people are influenced?I still don't understand why anyone would be influenced by any commercials, product placement, influencers, musicians, actors, etc.
No,Nope. GDPR applies to all entities operating within the EU in whole or via subsidiaries.
EU businesses just knew they would need to adjust and the ones trying to use US-backed services as a loophole now see that this evasion technique doesn't work either.
They have NOT been ordered to suspend the collection of data, which is an important distinction. As long as the data is collected and deleted according to GPDR rules, they don’t have a problem with collection. One would have to believe that the US Government is, in some way, more capable than the EU government to think that they would not be able to use the infrastructure to have the same access the US government did.has been ordered to suspend the transfer of data from users in the EU to the United States.
Not for the millions of folks USING Facebook. And Facebook are not going to stop operating, they’re just going to use EU companies to store the data (which brings some of the money back into the EU, which is the core purpose of the regulation).If Facebook stopped operating within the EU that would be a massive net benefit!
It's perfectly OK to criticise EU regulation on data privacy (and EU regulations in general, they are mostly terrible). I despair at Germany where very few streets are captured by StreetView; but Meta cannot just ignore a law because they don't agree with it.No doubt this ruling can (and in all likelihood will) have some unintended consequences.
The EU's focus is on regulation and they're rather ignorant on innovation, which is why they often don't see foresee the problems their regulatory flexing creates until it's way too late and innovation has moved elsewhere.
I was reading a story recently about the downfall of Philips, which used to be massive in the international tech world and I think it was the last large tech company based in an EU region. They can’t even keep companies that are FOUNDED in the EU, in the EU.The EU is really on a course to encourage American tech companies to do business there.
GDPR is effectively a massive boost of our personal freedom via european legislation – normally this would belong among the first articles of a constitution, but constitutions are less fluid and less adaptable to changing circumstances so this is how it was done, and consistently EU-wide.I'm not a Facebook fan at all, but the EU is a big problem. Do they actually help anything? Or just provide an unnecessary layer of regulatory Karen?