Wouldn't it be possible for Apple to create some kind of thing that would verify the code before it asks permission to launch? Like, if it's deleting things stop. Or, if it's installing to strange locations stop. P2P or not, Apple will need to think of something to help people with this I'm pretty sure because there is the email route to consider as well - they can't ignore this and say it's only "stupid" users stealing software.
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jvaska said:
No, it is not because there is always an example of something legitimate that does the same thing that these "user access" trojans/worms/virii do. And the analysis of programs like this will consume all available CPU, something I don't think users will be willing to trade off. The reality is that users have to learn to be careful about what they trustingly double-click. Virus protection can be of use too, but that only helps against known exploits - the new exploit of the day will not trigger an anti-virus application.
Take some responsibilty!!!!
Typical of modern mentality. Waaaahhhh, I ran a program I downloaded to pirate some software, and it deleted all my files, tell Apple to stop it!
Why not just take responsibilty for your actions and the safety of your computer and your files, and accept the fact that, as adults, sometimes we have to think for ourselves, instead of getting others to do it for us.
jvaska said:
Typical of modern mentality. Waaaahhhh, I ran a program I downloaded to pirate some software, and it deleted all my files, tell Apple to stop it!
Why not just take responsibilty for your actions and the safety of your computer and your files, and accept the fact that, as adults, sometimes we have to think for ourselves, instead of getting others to do it for us.
Virus No Trojan or Worm yes.
A Virus spread it self to other files, apps or in an other way is active.
This one is passive and needs the user to execute it.
Now I'm not sure if this is what should be caled a Trojan but it prbably is. It's a bilt like the history of the trojan horse. So you argue about if it should bee caled a troja or worm but it's not a virus.
Earendil said:
A Virus spread it self to other files, apps or in an other way is active.
This one is passive and needs the user to execute it.
Now I'm not sure if this is what should be caled a Trojan but it prbably is. It's a bilt like the history of the trojan horse. So you argue about if it should bee caled a troja or worm but it's not a virus.
juanito said:
It is a Trojan. Definition time...
Virus: Potentially malicious software that uses other software to propagate itself. Virus code by itself is harmless and requires indirect user action (such as launching an infected application, or inserting an infected diskette) to spread.
Trojan Horse: Potentially malicious software that uses misdirection to deliver it's payload. Typically an application in itself that may attempt to appear to be legitimate. [This trojan is one that does so only until it is launched, the previous proof of concept actually pretended to be a valid MP3 file. Note that damage was done in either case]
Worm: Potentially malicious software that is self propagating. Most recent attacks are actually of this type. Because Worms are self propagating they can do the most damage. They usually rely on a security quirk to allow themselves to propagate. In the past worms were less common because there wasn't very far to go (networks tended to be company wide rather than world wide like today's Internet, and forget about home users).
Virus became the generic term only because they were the most common (and going strictly by numbers are still the most common, but most viruses don't work in a modern environment). Most new attacks are Worms, and a it seems that no one has managed to figure out how or wanted to create a virus or worm that attacked Mac OS X or other Unices. Lets hope it stays that way.
Lancetx said:
I was just about to say the same thing ...
If you are foolish enough to really believe a 108KB file could be demo version of Microsoft Word ... I say, you deserve te get your home directory wiped.
it just occurred to me
1. Who was the person that actually reported the story? ...And is it the same person who got the script virus?
or
2. Are the person who created it and reported the same person? Otherwise, I can't see the idiot actually telling people that bull**** story about Demos. Eveyone knows the danger of peer to peer.
my money is on #2
1. Who was the person that actually reported the story? ...And is it the same person who got the script virus?
or
2. Are the person who created it and reported the same person? Otherwise, I can't see the idiot actually telling people that bull**** story about Demos. Eveyone knows the danger of peer to peer.
my money is on #2
harmless said:
Yes you are taking something away...the data and you are writing it to your hard drive...just the means of obtaining the physical thing(data) is different than how we think of stealing shirts, CD's, candy, etc.
So if you "take" a ticket to a concert is it stealing...the ticket is a physical thing but the ticket by itself has no real value unless you get into the concert. The concert does not even contain any physical "data" of sorts...so why is it stealing if you take someone's concert ticket when the ticket is just a piece of printed paper?
How is it an oversimplification...please explain. You create something and you get the right to decide who can use it, when and how...depending on the laws and what it is you created of course.
the usual responses......
As usual all the good boys here are laughing because someone got burned downloading software.
Sanctimonious and smug is too good a description. This is just a computer forum - it doesnt need the vengeful and smug comments on anothers misfortune.
Of course, none of you has EVER done anything wrong have you?
Sickening. Why dont you rush out and have your wages transferred by standing order to Bill Gates OBSCENELY bloated bank account?
Piracy against Microsoft should get a medal.
Have you forgotten how Gates and crew broke MANY laws, but bribed their way out of it? How they stole from other companies (including Apple) and got away with it?
Can you blame software 'pirates'?
They learned their piracy skills at the feet of the Master - Bill Gates.
As usual all the good boys here are laughing because someone got burned downloading software.
Sanctimonious and smug is too good a description. This is just a computer forum - it doesnt need the vengeful and smug comments on anothers misfortune.
Of course, none of you has EVER done anything wrong have you?
Sickening. Why dont you rush out and have your wages transferred by standing order to Bill Gates OBSCENELY bloated bank account?
Piracy against Microsoft should get a medal.
Have you forgotten how Gates and crew broke MANY laws, but bribed their way out of it? How they stole from other companies (including Apple) and got away with it?
Can you blame software 'pirates'?
They learned their piracy skills at the feet of the Master - Bill Gates.
wireless hooray
now that should solve some cable clutter, I would love to use my powerbook to record a music session that is then send to or even directly recorded on the main firewire drives in the main studio, just with the help of a rack mount wireless fire wire hub to which all older firewire devices can connect, protools motu, get developing allready!!
now that should solve some cable clutter, I would love to use my powerbook to record a music session that is then send to or even directly recorded on the main firewire drives in the main studio, just with the help of a rack mount wireless fire wire hub to which all older firewire devices can connect, protools motu, get developing allready!!
k2k koos said:now that should solve some cable clutter, I would love to use my powerbook to record a music session that is then send to or even directly recorded on the main firewire drives in the main studio, just with the help of a rack mount wireless fire wire hub to which all older firewire devices can connect, protools motu, get developing allready!!
What?
davecuse said:
I think he/she thought they were posting in the wireless firewire discussion. Just goes to show that it helps to actually read a thread before posting in it. If we all posted without reading anyone else's posts, what would be the point? Alas, some people are all talk and no listen.
Awimoway said:I think he/she thought they were posting in the wireless firewire discussion. Just goes to show that it helps to actually read a thread before posting in it. If we all posted without reading anyone else's posts, what would be the point? Alas, some people are all talk and no listen.
i believe i have had my post go to the wrong thread before, even though i was posting in the correct thread...
might be drunk, but i think that happened once or twice.
elgruga said:
As if Bill Gates is the only beneficiary of Microsoft's success. There are tens of thousands of MS shareholders who are not wealthy, not to mention the thousands of MS employees world-wide who rely on the company's continued profitability.
Flowbee said:
::applause::
well said -- i actually purchased Adobe Creative Suite Premium (education price) and it has more than paid for itself...
as for the idiot, i'd put my own comments, but im pretty sure theyve already been said somewhere, by someone...although ive gotta say...this guy is a moron, most importantly for his lame attempt at trying to cover himself...
not stealing, trespassing
I think you completely (but really) missed the point here.
Andreas is perfectly right. Pirating software or music is not stealing. You have been led to believe so by an intentionally misleading propaganda.
You can cause financial damage or loss to someone in very many ways, some are illegal, some are legal. And you can also break the law in very many ways without causing financial loss or damage.
Stealing has nothing to do with value, you can perfectly well steal something that has no value at all. But it requires that you deprive someone else of the possession of the thing you stole. The key here is their deprivation, and not your acquisition.
Usage of protected intellectual property without authorisation is illegal in some coutries, but it is not stealing, because it does not take anything away from anybody they previously had, in such a way that they do not have it anymore. It would be stealing if as a result the owners would loose the rights to some of their intellectual property. But they dont! True, violation can potentially cause indirect financial loss, but it is still not stealing, just the same way as it is not murder, nor fraud, nor abduction, nor armed robbery, nor trespassing. It is just that: violation of intellectual property rights.
(Btw., if you really-really want to give it another name, trespassing would be much more appropriate than stealing, just think it over.)
And this might or might not be illegal, depending on where you live. And this migh or migh not cause indirect (always indirect) loss or damage, depending on a lot of other things (just think about this: you pirated an expensive software, but would you have bought it otherwise? No, you'd have used something else. You downloaded some music for your entertainment, but would you have paid for it? No, you'd have listened to something else instead. So what did the copyright holder loose? Nothing. Nothing at all. Not even a tiny little bit of extra costs. Tricky, that.) As opposed to this, stealing always causes immediate and direct loss.
Violation does not require any technicalities, I mean downloading, copying, cracking, circumventing are not needed for you to be in violation, the only thing that is required is unauthorised usage. Therefore, downloading, copying, cracking, circumventing do not qualify as violation of intellectual property rights (they still might be illegal for other reasons).
We all are, and if you live in the US, you particularly are flooded with misleading and sometimes downright false statements about this, that only convey the financial and business interests of some, that's all. It's happened before, it will happen again.
And NO, violation of intellectual property rights IS NOT STEALING. Not even close. It is TRESPASSING!.
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Being an adult and thinking for yourself does not ONLY mean being able to detect electronic lies, but also plain good old wordly ones.
flyfish29 said:
I think you completely (but really) missed the point here.
Andreas is perfectly right. Pirating software or music is not stealing. You have been led to believe so by an intentionally misleading propaganda.
You can cause financial damage or loss to someone in very many ways, some are illegal, some are legal. And you can also break the law in very many ways without causing financial loss or damage.
Stealing has nothing to do with value, you can perfectly well steal something that has no value at all. But it requires that you deprive someone else of the possession of the thing you stole. The key here is their deprivation, and not your acquisition.
Usage of protected intellectual property without authorisation is illegal in some coutries, but it is not stealing, because it does not take anything away from anybody they previously had, in such a way that they do not have it anymore. It would be stealing if as a result the owners would loose the rights to some of their intellectual property. But they dont! True, violation can potentially cause indirect financial loss, but it is still not stealing, just the same way as it is not murder, nor fraud, nor abduction, nor armed robbery, nor trespassing. It is just that: violation of intellectual property rights.
(Btw., if you really-really want to give it another name, trespassing would be much more appropriate than stealing, just think it over.)
And this might or might not be illegal, depending on where you live. And this migh or migh not cause indirect (always indirect) loss or damage, depending on a lot of other things (just think about this: you pirated an expensive software, but would you have bought it otherwise? No, you'd have used something else. You downloaded some music for your entertainment, but would you have paid for it? No, you'd have listened to something else instead. So what did the copyright holder loose? Nothing. Nothing at all. Not even a tiny little bit of extra costs. Tricky, that.) As opposed to this, stealing always causes immediate and direct loss.
Violation does not require any technicalities, I mean downloading, copying, cracking, circumventing are not needed for you to be in violation, the only thing that is required is unauthorised usage. Therefore, downloading, copying, cracking, circumventing do not qualify as violation of intellectual property rights (they still might be illegal for other reasons).
We all are, and if you live in the US, you particularly are flooded with misleading and sometimes downright false statements about this, that only convey the financial and business interests of some, that's all. It's happened before, it will happen again.
And NO, violation of intellectual property rights IS NOT STEALING. Not even close. It is TRESPASSING!
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Being an adult and thinking for yourself does not ONLY mean being able to detect electronic lies, but also plain good old wordly ones.
eyeluvmyimac said:
why exactly? the name of the file said "Microsoft Word 2004 Demo Web Install" so what would you think you would get downloading it, really? It didn't say "MS Word 2004 fully working, cracked w/serialz REAL DEAL" did it?
Also, a web install is somenthing microsoft does regularly, and normally it should't matter where you get it from, because it contacts mothership, and downloads all-final-all-legal whatever-it-is-they-want-to-have-us software (and sends all your personal data while at it, but that should'nt be a surprise by now).
So he was a moron, because he thought he would download a demo and he said so. Damn. That's an action that needs heavy covering.
What you might think, in your head, is that he is of course a low-life web junkie who never pays for anything (unlike you), and wanted to have a free copy of MS word, eh, and tried to download it from limevire together with his daily porn and serialz, and was so darned idiot that he did't even realize that what he would get would be a demo, because he was blinded by his greed, and he got properly busted, and deserved it as well.
And of course it can be totally totally excluded, that this was just the other guy surfing the web as we all do, searching for things he's interested in, happy to find a demo for the new MS Word he wanted to try out anyway and did not see on MS/mac (or was just too lazy to try to find it there once he got it anyway), who got burned for not being careful enough and who warned his fellows so that they do not fall prey themselves.
I see no moron here.
Don't forget about network installers
The trend toward network installers makes this less definitive. For instance, you can download the 12MB Mozilla installer on Windows or the ~300K network installer, which then pulls down only the parts you want.
Lancetx said:
The trend toward network installers makes this less definitive. For instance, you can download the 12MB Mozilla installer on Windows or the ~300K network installer, which then pulls down only the parts you want.
dewries said:
I will agree that it technically not stealing...very good points made. But there is no way in the world you can say that every (or even most) of piraters out there (as the majority are businesses statictically) would not have purchased the software if they had not recieved (notice I didn't say steal
) it free! Most of them would have purchased it and that does result in a direct loss of income *(potential at least). There are many that would pirate Word and if they couldn't they would use a free one or some sharware program, but many if not most would go ahead and buy it. Music is another story altogether in that many would not have purchases the music, but then again businesses are not in the music pirating business- for the most part.space2go said:I'd answer "OSI Layer 8 problem" and count the days to a reaction..
That's pretty good - I haven't head that one before. The best part is you can say it out loud in front of managers, so that makes it double-plus good.