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German Politician Asks Apple CEO Tim Cook to Abandon CSAM Scanning Plans
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I’m just quoting you, you said Apple had code on the phones to upload your data whenever they want…. I didn’t think so, I’m not concerned with csam code, I’m concerned with any code designed to look for any content illegal or legal that I don’t give permission
I believe they are legally required to search for it being a cloud storage provider.
What is the basis for that belief? There would have to be some law.
Where does it stop? The next thing is going to be an AI analysing your HomeKit secure videos and flagging you. The next thing you know, is 3 agencies watching your every move, because the AI was wrong.
Once you been flagged innocently, will your government records show "Investigated for..."?
LOL, what? That saying would apply if it were ACTUALLY spyware (by definition) that Apple called something else. But it's NOT spyware, as I clearly explained, so that response was completely nonsensical. You are not engaging in rational discussion, sir. You might be throwing red meat out there for like-minded people, but it's not helping your case at all if you're trying to convince others.
Some of you guys would make GREAT logic textbook writers - if your only job was to provide example sentences of slippery slope fallacies.
Apple scanning your photos is "normal", but apple scanning your other data is a slippery slope of fallacies? Please don't buy any bridges.
For the gazillionth time, if it's installed with your knowledge and consent, it's NOT spyware. What is so hard to understand about that? You can argue the point until you die and you'll still be wrong. Coin another term for it if you want, but don't try to redefine established terms for the sake of melodrama.
No. The fallacy is you asserting that "Because A happened, B will also happen." Unless B is an inevitable/unavoidable result of A (as in, there's no logically possible way that it WON'T happen), then it's a fallacious argument. Now, B (or C or D, etc.) MAY indeed happen, but not as a direct result of A.
Yes, it’s not spyware yet. Right now anyone can disable iCloud Photo Sharing (huge pain in the ass to deal with the diminished functionality) and no CSAM scanning will take place. So all the pedos out there are safe for now. Everyone else will have their photos monitored. How simple it will be to jail people you don’t like if you know their phone’s password & have access to it for a little while… This should not be happening.
That is not correct. iOS decides when to backup to iCloud. If iCloud backups are turned on, iOS will only try to back up if there is adequate space, and you are connected to power and Wi-Fi for at least 10 minutes with the screen locked.
The user can manually force a backup without meeting those conditions, but Apple cannot at "any point in time force your iPhones to backup."
By the same argument, Apple cannot at any point force a scan outside of photos being upload to the cloud. That was the point of the other comment.
It's not spyware ever unless Apple starts doing something differently without informing users.
You're assuming all pedos have common sense, aren't careless, or are educated about this feature. That's quite a big assumption. And of course Apple's goal is not to eliminated pedophilia (impossible) or even eliminate all CSAM. The goal is to prevent their servers from being used to proliferate it.
Don't Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and many others already scan photos or videos being uploaded to their platforms or cloud services? Are you aware of a rash of sabotage jobs by people's enemies uploading child porn on their accounts and getting them arrested? Obviously it's possible, but very unlikely and a very poor argument against what Apple is doing.
I don't need you to agree with me. Apple is spying on us. Nothing you say will negate that.
Not sure it is at all better if the government does it. The government's can't do this easily because, for example, it is typically unlawful in the US under the 4th amendment and similarly in the Canadian Charter rights. It seems, nearly, that the government is laundering unreasonable search and seizure liabilities.
A real dilemma with dangerous political implications. Perhaps the box has already been opened, but for me it is not obvious what will cause the most good or greatest harm in the long run.
Next we will have Facebook, Google, Cellebrite, and Cambridge Analytica fighting Apple to protect our privacy.
What a plot twist that Apple could turn out to be the villain and the final boss.
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Vote with your feet. Nobody download iOS 15 or buy any of the new iPhones and Apple will backtrack immediately.
Fine, then enjoy your echo chamber and stop replying to me ?♂️
It's not what I say that negates that; reality negates that. As has been explained to you and others countless times, Apple sees NOTHING unless you upload 30+ illegal images to iCloud. But believe what you want. I'm interested in reality, not fantasy.