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drumcat

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I've always wondered why the iPhone can't be the single "chip" that runs everything. In short, while my phone is plugged in, why not have it be my MacOS-like device? BT a keyboard, mouse, and plug in an HDMI, and that thing could be faster than many computers.

Are we any closer to a convergence of devices, or are we continuing to split them?
 

Shirasaki

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Jack of all trades, master of none. Specialised devices have specialised uses. Wanting to make a super device for all can only end up doing no good.

Besides, for screen, iPhone screen can never be as big as iPad. You may argue one can attach a monitor, but then you cannot do touch control on majority of monitors.

If you want a DeX for iOS, sorry but that won’t happen anytime soon either since Apple has iPadOS and macOS to worry about.
 

eyoungren

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I've always wondered why the iPhone can't be the single "chip" that runs everything. In short, while my phone is plugged in, why not have it be my MacOS-like device? BT a keyboard, mouse, and plug in an HDMI, and that thing could be faster than many computers.

Are we any closer to a convergence of devices, or are we continuing to split them?
Nowhere close in my case. And I don't really want to be. I use my phone as a phone and my computers…as computers.

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Iwavvns

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I've always wondered why the iPhone can't be the single "chip" that runs everything. In short, while my phone is plugged in, why not have it be my MacOS-like device? BT a keyboard, mouse, and plug in an HDMI, and that thing could be faster than many computers.

Are we any closer to a convergence of devices, or are we continuing to split them?
The chip that powers the iPhone 15 Pro, is it powerful enough to let me use Final Cut Pro to edit render 4K video, while listening to music in the background, while I edit graphics in Affinity Designer?
 

drumcat

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The chip that powers the iPhone 15 Pro, is it powerful enough to let me use Final Cut Pro to edit render 4K video, while listening to music in the background, while I edit graphics in Affinity Designer?
A few years ago, yes. That's the point. But please, bring out the extreme cases first that don't make sense with it.
 

Iwavvns

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A few years ago, yes. That's the point. But please, bring out the extreme cases first that don't make sense with it.
OK, I was just wondering, I have no idea of the power of the chip in the iPhone 15 Pro.. maybe I don’t need a MacBook Pro after all.
 

jaehaerys48

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Samsung has this with DeX. The problem is that the amount of people who are technologically inclined enough to be interested in DeX and who own a monitor, mouse, and keyboard but don't already own a laptop or desktop computer is near zero. Meanwhile most "regular" consumers these days are moving away from the desktop setup altogether, sticking with laptops or relying completely on phones & tablets. I don't think there would be much of an advantage in having a sort of brainless laptop that would require plugging your phone into it in order to get it to work - by the time you've already got a screen, body, battery, and keyboard you may as well put a chip in there and call it a day.

DeX and Apple's implementation of using an iPad as a quasi-desktop computer are interesting ideas and may have a future, but as of now I think they just haven't garnered much of a user base. At times it almost feels like the main use for these features is to provide fodder for tech Youtubers (obviously this isn't the case) to make videos about. They make cool videos about DeX or iPad desk setups, the comment section oohs and aahs, and then everyone just goes back to using their Windows or Mac PC.
 

xxFoxtail

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Give me stage manager and I'll happily use my iPhone as my only computer. If I need a laptop, I'll dock it into a Nexdock. And I'll dock it into my desk setup if I need to use it there. An app like InfiniteX2P would work for now, but I'd like native support. (I used ShiftScreen on my iPad before it got stage manager, so I'm aware of the limitations of these kinds of apps)

I already use my iPhone with a bluetooth mouse and keyboard at work. I don't bother bringing my MacBook there. I know some people who only use their iPhone as their only computer, so it's not completely crazy. (edit: Mostly just using it for spreadsheets and word processing at work).

Sadly, I don't really see Stage Manager happening on the iPhone any time soon, if ever. To someone like me, I'd never buy another MacBook or iPad again and that's money coming out of Apple's pockets. At most, I can see them creating some kind of interface for a connected TV - probably looking more like an Apple TV UI. AAA video games are coming out for it, and I can see some people using it as their only game console. I'm not sure why Apple would limit a connected iPhone to just this, but I also wouldn't be surprised.
 
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snipr125

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The chip that powers the iPhone 15 Pro, is it powerful enough to let me use Final Cut Pro to edit render 4K video, while listening to music in the background, while I edit graphics in Affinity Designer?
People could laugh, but the reality is the A17 Pro SoC with its 8 GB RAM could perform tasks similar to this. The iPhone 15 Pros have performance rivalling M1 macbook airs (actually better in some areas).
 

xxFoxtail

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I didn't know about NexDock. That's really what I had in my mind.

Of course it's effectively a kludge, but if an OEM was serious about it, it could be really good, just as you said.

Sadly, this is probably the most we can get out of it at the moment. Unless you don’t mind controlling a mirrored version of your iPhone screen. Which, honestly wouldn’t be too bad for what I’d use it for. Other than the weird looks I’d get from everyone.

Wish I could find a video review of that app working with the Nexdock before I upgrade my phone and buy one of those though. 9to5Mac has a video review of the app itself, but not the Nexdock.
 

Audentia

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A few years ago, yes. That's the point. But please, bring out the extreme cases first that don't make sense with it.
No, and its not an extreme case, it's a moving target. The iPhone today could run final cut of yesterday but if you want to do whatever the latest video editing is, (8k, spatial video, etc.) then you'll want more compute.

Thats the key misunderstanding of a request like this, if our computing needs stayed the same then yes, an iPhone today is more than capable of what we did 10 or even 5 years ago, but the fact is we demand more of our computers each day even with basic tasks. Just plugging in a monitor today is much more computationally intensive since its probably got a high refresh rate and a lot more pixels to push. Even the web today is far more demanding than it was in the past. Maybe it shouldn't be, but its not all bloat, more robust features, AI, etc, the "basic needs" are always changing.

You can see some convergence though and to your point it would be convenient for this to continue. Laptops today fulfill what most needed a desktop for in the past, and iPads are coming close behind since they have the same Mx chip as entry level macs now. And of course now we have games like RE4 running on iPhone. Which is awesome, but its still an issue of thermal dynamics. The iPhone can play RE4, but at a lower framerate and gets super hot and can't handle sustained load, so why not use a bigger device if you're at home? The same applies for all other computing tasks.

So certainly the baseline power is getting more consistent as recent silicon has gotten much more power efficient, but there will always be thermal tradeoffs with the size of the device, so its unlikely the iPhone (or whatever pocket device you prefer) will ever be that "do everything" device. (The iPad might get there.) And there's still the specialization of silicon to consider besides the raw power. In many ways, the gap between an Axx and a Mx is still sufficiently large, so while an A17 may appear faster than an M1 in benchmarks its not likely it would provide the same experience if you just load macOS on it.

Now, if I were to predict the future though, the "one device to rule them all" would be whatever the Apple Vision Pro looks like 5 years from now (notice it has an Mx chip, not a Axx chip). Or maybe neural link. However, even then you'll have other larger devices to wirelessly offload compute when you need to do something intensive (whatever "intensive" looks like in 2030).
 

eyoungren

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I like the monitor at your feet... just because you can.
I ran out of desk space, LOL. :D

I'm tearing it all apart soon to add another table on the right. Will end up with more space so all the monitors will fit. At least until I add another 30" CD.

But yeah. :)
 

JMStearnsX2

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I ran out of desk space, LOL. :D

I'm tearing it all apart soon to add another table on the right. Will end up with more space so all the monitors will fit. At least until I add another 30" CD.

But yeah. :)
I loved my 30" Cinema, sold it with an extra Mac Pro I had. Bought 2x 27" 1440p 144fps monitors to replace it.
But they don't look as nice on the desk, the 30" CD has a "presense" that can't be matched...
 
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eyoungren

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I loved my 30" Cinema, sold it with an extra Mac Pro I had. Bought 2x 27" 1440p 144fps monitors to replace it.
But they don't look as nice on the desk, the 30" CD has a "presense" that can't be matched...
If you look to the bottom right of my pic (to the left of the PowerMac) you'll see some green lights. That's my KVM. Both my main displays (the two 30") are shared with my work M2 (13" MBP). That required finding a couple of cables and a dock that supports DisplayLink.
 
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Spaceboi Scaphandre

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I've always wondered why the iPhone can't be the single "chip" that runs everything. In short, while my phone is plugged in, why not have it be my MacOS-like device? BT a keyboard, mouse, and plug in an HDMI, and that thing could be faster than many computers.

Are we any closer to a convergence of devices, or are we continuing to split them?

No we aren't. Apple wants there to be a reason to still buy Macs so they don't have a Samsung DeX like mode for iOS.

There's already a video that explores this topic

 

Darren.h

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I always thought the same thing The CPU in the iPhone is almost as powerful as a base M3 Chip.

If they just equipped the iPhone with 16 GB of RAM and some sort of Samsung DAX like devise.

You basically have an M3 Ma Mini in a phone.

BUT the iPhone needs to support external HD connection. AND IOS has no file system like macOS to save files locally instead of offloading to the cloud.
 
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teohyc

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I've always wondered why the iPhone can't be the single "chip" that runs everything. In short, while my phone is plugged in, why not have it be my MacOS-like device? BT a keyboard, mouse, and plug in an HDMI, and that thing could be faster than many computers.

Are we any closer to a convergence of devices, or are we continuing to split them?
This is a company that would remove call and SMS features from their cellular iPads so that those products cannot compete with the iPhone. There's no way they will provide desktop OS feature in iPhones although th e phones are most definitely powerful enough to run desktop OS
 

eyoungren

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I always thought the same thing The CPU in the iPhone is almost as powerful as a base M3 Chip.

If they just equipped the iPhone with 16 GB of RAM and some sort of Samsung DAX like devise.

You basically have an M3 Ma Mini in a phone.

BUT the iPhone needs to support external HD connection. AND IOS has no file system like macOS to save files locally instead of offloading to the cloud.
That MacPro in my picture up above has 32GB ram. And BTW, it's a 2009 model running Mojave.

PS. I'm typing this on my work Mac, an M2 MBP with 24GB ram.

So, no. 16GB isn't going to cut it.
 

TechnoMonk

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The heat will fry Mac OS like iPhone used as a computer at sustained use. Heck my M1 iPad Pro runs hot at consistent load. It’s simple physics unless they can find a super heat sync, which is light and can dissipate heat in compact form.
 

applepotato666

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The chip that powers the iPhone 15 Pro, is it powerful enough to let me use Final Cut Pro to edit render 4K video, while listening to music in the background, while I edit graphics in Affinity Designer?
It's about as powerful as the maxed out 2019 16" MacBook Pro chip. The CPU and GPU is very fast, the problem you'd have is with RAM in that workflow.

I've always wondered why the iPhone can't be the single "chip" that runs everything. In short, while my phone is plugged in, why not have it be my MacOS-like device? BT a keyboard, mouse, and plug in an HDMI, and that thing could be faster than many computers.

Are we any closer to a convergence of devices, or are we continuing to split them?
Because that would do the job for 90% of people who buy a MacBook Air. Why miss out on an additional 1000+ USD sale
 

cateye

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Apple is a business with the absolute goals of making money and delivering returns for their shareholders.

Explain to me why Apple would want to sell me one "super" converged iPhone instead of an iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro. Apple won't even expose the intrinsic multiuser capabilities of iPadOS so that people will buy more than one for the family. Apple is ruthless in its capitalism. You don't get to $3T in value without that kind of focus.

No successful business delivers only what's possible. They deliver what is maximally profitable.
 
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