MP 7,1 Highway robbery?

[layzarc]

Trying to budget for the purchase of a new modular Mac Pro. For my work (optical engineering) I need at least 24 cores but it looks like this is going to be a several thousand dollar upgrade from the base model. Are Intel's prices for their Xeons a case of "highway robbery"?

Al

 

[orph]

compare to dell and see what you think

https://www.lamicro.co.uk/dell-precision-t7920-2-28-core-2-50ghz-platinum-8180-1-5tb-4-1tb-m-2-sata-ssd-nvidia-p6000

on the dell site

Precision 7920 Tower | Dell

The new Precision 7920 Tower provides ultimate performance and scalability to grow alongside your vision.

www.dell.com

id gess the macpro will be in line with dell and HP as normal.

in the past the 4,1 & 5,1 where in line with dell and HP (>.> iv been here to long)

if it costs to much for you apple dose not want your money they want you to get an imac

 

[AidenShaw]

compare to dell and see what you think

Note that Dell uses the dual-socket capable scalable Xeons, and Apple uses the cheaper single socket workstation line.

 

[orph]

ah did not look hard, any way i think apple has no care for any customer it's the company they care about.

if you don't like what they sell buy something different, emotional attachments to some one like google/apple/Samsung is silly

computers are tools to do a job,

 

[MisterAndrew]

Intel's retail prices for the Xeons are in this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-7-1-configuration-pricing-and-accessories.2184452/

We don't know the wholesale prices Apple is paying for them. The 24 core Xeon W-3265M available from Apple lists for $6353. If you don't need more than 768 GB of RAM I suggest purchasing the 8 core base CPU and purchasing the 24 core Xeon W-3265 from a 3rd party supplier which lists for $3,349. Or you could still save money going for the 28 core W-3275 which lists for $4,449.

 

[ssgbryan]

Intel's retail prices for the Xeons are in this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-7-1-configuration-pricing-and-accessories.2184452/

We don't know the wholesale prices Apple is paying for them. The 24 core Xeon W-3265M available from Apple lists for $6353. If you don't need more than 768 GB of RAM I suggest purchasing the 8 core base CPU and purchasing the 24 core Xeon W-3265 from a 3rd party supplier which lists for $3,349. Or you could still save money going for the 28 core W-3275 which lists for $4,449.

Or you could get about double that performance with an Eypc based system.

 

[MisterAndrew]

Or you could get about double that performance with an Eypc based system.

That point is irrelevant to the discussion. The OP didn't say he's interested in a non-Apple system. This is a Mac Pro forum.

 

[lowendlinux]

Unless the software you use is Apple I can’t think a single good reason to buy a Mac Pro. If you live in one or two pieces of software I can’t see the any benefit let alone the ROI on the Mac

 

[ssgbryan]

That point is irrelevant to the discussion. The OP didn't say he's interested in a non-Apple system. This is a Mac Pro forum.

What is the thread's Name? Oh, yeah, Highway Robbery.

If the OP is concerned about price, then the OP should look at what is available. At the end of the day, one does their work in applications, not the operating system.

 

[sirio76]

Or you could get about double that performance with an Eypc based system.

Do you realize that EPYC are server product and are suboptimal for workstation usage? My impression is that you have very little understanding of what you need to work fast and since you define yourself as a hobbiest this do not surprise me. Also, to be honest you just sound like a broken disk, there’s no point in posting (mostly)nonsense again and again just because this machine is not for you. Buy whatever you want and move on

 

[shaunp]

Xeon chips are expensive. No way around that. If you need at least 24 cores and must run on Mac this is your only option, well at least your only supported option if you don't count Hackintosh.

However, I would also look at building a PC running on Threadripper if your software supports this as it may be better suited to your budget.
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That point is irrelevant to the discussion. The OP didn't say he's interested in a non-Apple system. This is a Mac Pro forum.

But it's also fair to point out other options do exist as he's also interested in making money and the application will be more important than the OS.

 

[majus]

Intel's retail prices for the Xeons are in this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-7-1-configuration-pricing-and-accessories.2184452/

We don't know the wholesale prices Apple is paying for them. The 24 core Xeon W-3265M available from Apple lists for $6353. If you don't need more than 768 GB of RAM I suggest purchasing the 8 core base CPU and purchasing the 24 core Xeon W-3265 from a 3rd party supplier which lists for $3,349. Or you could still save money going for the 28 core W-3275 which lists for $4,449.

That price list is wrong. The WxxxxM chips are for mobile workstations. The 2019 Mac Pro uses the Wxxxx version which sells for considerably less.

 

[beaker7]

That price list is wrong. The WxxxxM chips are for mobile workstations. :The 2019 Mac Pro uses the Wxxxx version which sells for considerably less.

The list is correct.

Intel® Xeon® W Processor Product Specifications

Intel® Xeon® W Processor product listing with links to detailed product features and specifications.

ark.intel.com

The M variants of the Xeon-W line are for high memory configurations at a ~$3000 premium.

 

[Zdigital2015]

That price list is wrong. The WxxxxM chips are for mobile workstations. :The 2019 Mac Pro uses the Wxxxx version which sells for considerably less.

The Xeon E-22xxM are for mobile/laptops, with their 45w TDP.

 

[layzarc]

OK. If I get the base model and separately purchase a "low" memory 24-core Xeon (I can't see me requiring any more than 512GB), how easy will it be to replace the CPU and will it invalidate Apple's warranty?

Al

 

[orph]

OK. If I get the base model and separately purchase a "low" memory 24-core Xeon (I can't see me requiring any more than 512GB), how easy will it be to replace the CPU and will it invalidate Apple's warranty?

Al

ask apple, as there not out yet only apple will know

 

[Zdigital2015]

OK. If I get the base model and separately purchase a "low" memory 24-core Xeon (I can't see me requiring any more than 512GB), how easy will it be to replace the CPU and will it invalidate Apple's warranty?

Al

Yeah, you want to ask Apple about that one.

Here’s the link to the W-3265 - http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?...3yIBpxGlNG2yAzO3cKehf5Qk7rg5BygoaAriCEALw_wcB -this is an OEM tray CPU. I doubt they will sell 24- or 28-core in a retail box.

You might want to see how much Apple charges for the BTO upgrades on the 24- and 28-core before buying anything. I know the Apple offered CPUs are much more expensive, but everyone should see the prices first before jumping into the deep end.

Just my 2¢.

 

[sirio76]

OK. If I get the base model and separately purchase a "low" memory 24-core Xeon (I can't see me requiring any more than 512GB), how easy will it be to replace the CPU and will it invalidate Apple's warranty?

Al

I'm building a 3D model of the 2019 MP, it should be fairly accurate. As far as I can tell it should be preety easy to upgrade the CPU, remove the cooler and you have full access to the socket. Don't know about the warranty though. Regardless of the warranty I'll buy a 28 core separately since a 3.000$ difference with the "M" variant should cover for any issue with the machine.

 

[MisterAndrew]

The way I look at it Apple designed this system to be user serviceable. Even if they don't want you changing the CPU, they can't invalidate the warranty for replacing the CPU yourself unless you caused other damage, according to the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. I suppose they could be nasty and argue that you installed a CPU that wasn't supported (since they don't offer that model) and that caused damage to the machine. So to be safe, as far as the warranty is concerned, I would just install the original CPU before sending it in for warranty service. Same for RAM or any other component.

 

[vel0city]

@sirio76 Great model and render, are you using C4D?

 

[sirio76]

@sirio76 Great model and render, are you using C4D?

Those are just viewport screenshot, I'll do some render in Vray as soon as I'll have some spare time to complete the model(there'are still many missing detail). Yes it's done on C4D.

 

[shuto]

Those are just viewport screenshot, I'll do some render in Vray as soon as I'll have some spare time to complete the model(there'are still many missing detail). Yes it's done on C4D.

Are you planning to use Redshift / Octane with your new Mac Pro? Or is CPU rendering your thing?
(free octane licence with Mac Pro purchase is good to try it out anyway)

 

[sirio76]

My scenes can be massive(here is an example of a small/medium sized scene: https://www.c4dzone.com/it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=33639 ) so GPU rendering is not for me in general. Since Octane will be free I'll try it on some very small projects.

 

[flygbuss]

My scenes can be massive(here is an example of a small/medium sized scene: https://www.c4dzone.com/it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=33639 ) so GPU rendering is not for me in general. Since Octane will be free I'll try it on some very small projects.

That looks amazing!

 

[thisisnotmyname]

My scenes can be massive(here is an example of a small/medium sized scene: https://www.c4dzone.com/it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=33639 ) so GPU rendering is not for me in general. Since Octane will be free I'll try it on some very small projects.

So that's small/medium, I want to see what you consider large! wow, fantastic work!