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mpw

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Say there's a web site called http://www.thisgreatsite.com which is the homepage of a business called "this great site".

When I search for 'this great site' or even 'thisgreatsite' in Google the site isn't listed at all, how come?

Is there a way to get Google to 'find' it?
 

MacDawg

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Doesn't it look for meta tags? Or is that outdated?

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mpw

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MacDawg said:
Doesn't it look for meta tags? Or is that outdated?

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Meta tags would need to be added to the page by the site admin I assume? Or are they created by the pages content?
 

Lacero

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Metadata
Age of data
Referring Links
Semantics of words indexed
 

Mitthrawnuruodo

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If there's no links to that site (from other sites) then the googlebots won't be able to find it and thus Google won't be able to index it and it will not show up anywhere.

Googles ranking is based on how many different sites that has links to the sites containing whatever it is you searched for (that's the easy explanation), so the trick is to get that URL out there and added as many places you can. :)
 

CanadaRAM

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The precise factors for search engine ranking are closely held secrets of the various search engines, and they are tweaked all the time.

If they were common knowledge, then people could 'play' the engines and make their site come up on top no matter the relevance.

Search engines also use disqualifying or demoting criteria. For example, repeating a key word over and over will get you demoted or banned, as will placing text in white against a white background, or creating multiple copies of the same page at different locations, or autodirecting from one page designed to capture search engine hits to your 'real' page.

People spend a lot of time and money to jockey for position, especially in hot markets like hotels, casinos, porn, bargain shopping and entertainment.
It is an ongoing course of study to keep up on the latest techniques and changes in search engines. You can subscribe to services that will play the ratings game with your site, or you can subscribe to newsletters that will presumably educate you how to evaluate and upgrade your own site's listings.

My current peeve is trying to find some real product reviews among the gazillion shopping "search" sites that are hoping to get some affiliate income by listing every product in the world and then linking to the real seller. Nextag is the grandaddy of this.

You can also buy keyword advertising links that appear at the top or at the side of the search results, but not normally withing the results themselves.
 

ZoomZoomZoom

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May 2, 2005
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I'm not sure if it's completely true anymore, but google used to have links play a large factor in how pages were ranked. Before I say more, I'll say that I'm a Republican. Say that there's this hypothetical website about George W. Bush, and has his full biography there. Now, there are alot of people out there who don't like Bush - and on their websites and such, might link to the site with the text "miserable failure." Now, even if "miserable failure" isn't referred to on Bush's site, google will still index Bush's biography under "miserable failure" because so many links have text that point that way.

Now, if you want to see this for yourself...

Go to google's main search page.
Search for "miserable failure"
Hit "I'm feeling lucky"
:D
 

jaseone

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My site's usually get indexed within a few days, they don't usually rank well to start off with but at least they get indexed.
 

highres

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There could be many reasons why the site does not rank high on Google:

- How the site was constructed
- Blocks to Google spiders giving the site a negative rank.
- The site has not been submitted to DMOZ yet.
- Google hasn't crawled the site yet and therefore has not listed it yet.

The reasons can be endless, that is why there is a whole profession or industry devoted to NSEO (Natural Search Engine Optimization) or building and marketing sites to achieve higher Google page rank.
 

mcadam

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mpw said:
Say there's a web site called http://www.thisgreatsite.com which is the homepage of a business called "this great site".

When I search for 'this great site' or even 'thisgreatsite' in Google the site isn't listed at all, how come?

Is there a way to get Google to 'find' it?

Is it possible google banned it since the purpose of http://www.thisgreatsite.com is actually to manipulate googles ranking system?

A
 

highres

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mcadam said:
Is it possible google banned it since the purpose of http://www.thisgreatsite.com is actually to manipulate googles ranking system?

A

Absolutely possible, Google will lower your site rank punitively for many different reasons, manipulating Google in a variety of ways is definitely one way to get a negative rating and to be given "unrelevant" status. Structurally unsound HTML or specific coding elements will flag or block spiders.
 
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