Just wondering how much work you think still needs to be done to Tiger before it's bug-free. I'm sure they wouldn't give 3,000 developers a buggy OS, but then again, they do have a whole year to fine tune it. So what are your thoughts?
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Is the preview the developers get bug-free?
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It's probably far from being bug free. Although the preview probably is pretty sturdy, and can be run for your normal system. The developers can take a hit if something fails though, because (if they're smart) they have an extra system or are ready to replace their data. Save a few (hm, iTunes), most of Apple's software is pretty safe, even when developing.
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They use the feedback from developers to work on the debugging so yes, it could have many bugs.
It isn't being given to the developers as a "be all and end all" OS... it is being given to them to allow some familiarization time with it. Along the way they report back bugs to Apple.
It isn't being given to the developers as a "be all and end all" OS... it is being given to them to allow some familiarization time with it. Along the way they report back bugs to Apple.
Having had three of their betas (10.0, 10.1, and 10.2), I would say that this one will be very, very buggy. I can't imagine that they've found a new way to develop an operating system that doesn't have huge flaws while adding big changes.
Some of them have been so good as it was possible to run a day or two without crashing. Other releases along the way weren't quite so stable.
Some of them have been so good as it was possible to run a day or two without crashing. Other releases along the way weren't quite so stable.
As a developer, (Select) I got my copy of Tiger legitimately.
Yes, it has bugs. In the few hours I have used it have I had a kernal panic? Once when plugging in a windows formatted firewire external drive.
In general, its stable. Some aspects have quirks. Like netowrking with PCs, and sharing is off still. Syncing is also messed up. The new Safari has a few problems, and stuff like that. Will it eat your machine? Nope
Should you use it? Not unless you are a developer with a specific need. Its not ready for home use yet, hence the fact is 6 to 12 months away. Many NON APPLE apps WILL crash under Tiger. DiskWarrior does not work for me, Stuffit Deluxe does not work. AOL does not work well. Many games will randomly freeze and lock up.
Its a beta system, with much work still. Its far from Alpha, but far from ready as well.
Also, as with some developer builds, it can be hard to go back unless you have backups and often its hard to upgrade to the final qwithout a wipe of the rive (highly suggested anyway).
Yes, it has bugs. In the few hours I have used it have I had a kernal panic? Once when plugging in a windows formatted firewire external drive.
In general, its stable. Some aspects have quirks. Like netowrking with PCs, and sharing is off still. Syncing is also messed up. The new Safari has a few problems, and stuff like that. Will it eat your machine? Nope
Should you use it? Not unless you are a developer with a specific need. Its not ready for home use yet, hence the fact is 6 to 12 months away. Many NON APPLE apps WILL crash under Tiger. DiskWarrior does not work for me, Stuffit Deluxe does not work. AOL does not work well. Many games will randomly freeze and lock up.
Its a beta system, with much work still. Its far from Alpha, but far from ready as well.
Also, as with some developer builds, it can be hard to go back unless you have backups and often its hard to upgrade to the final qwithout a wipe of the rive (highly suggested anyway).
johnbro23 said:
here it's great, from my friends that have installed it i have two of them are buggy as hell and just keep it on a partition and one it competely stable (like mine)
for me on my 600MHz ibook it's faster than panther and the dashboard is smooth and the itunes widget is smooth and responsive.
the only problem is that my the menu's on the top right don't look right.
and the mac rumors front page's tabs are all bunched up
for me on my 600MHz ibook it's faster than panther and the dashboard is smooth and the itunes widget is smooth and responsive.
the only problem is that my the menu's on the top right don't look right.
and the mac rumors front page's tabs are all bunched up
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Hoo yeah, it's buggy. And a lot of menu-modifying stuff won't work well or at all. MenuMaster seems to think the CPU is 100% busy most of the time and FruitMenu isn't even acknowledged. But, AOL and Stuffit Deluxe actually work without a hitch, so YMMV.
Hoo yeah, it's buggy. And a lot of menu-modifying stuff won't work well or at all. MenuMaster seems to think the CPU is 100% busy most of the time and FruitMenu isn't even acknowledged. But, AOL and Stuffit Deluxe actually work without a hitch, so YMMV.
FYI..
Word has it that ADC Select developers got Tiger 8A16 in the mail over the past few days.. and a copy of Tiger Server and Xsan.. pretty much what I hear they gave out at WWDC.. fyi it's the same exact one that's been making the rounds on eDonkey, bitorrent, etc..
Tiger and Tiger Server came shipped on DVDs, Xsan only took up 50 or so MBs on a CD.
Word has it that ADC Select developers got Tiger 8A16 in the mail over the past few days.. and a copy of Tiger Server and Xsan.. pretty much what I hear they gave out at WWDC.. fyi it's the same exact one that's been making the rounds on eDonkey, bitorrent, etc..
Tiger and Tiger Server came shipped on DVDs, Xsan only took up 50 or so MBs on a CD.
Having use Tiger for 5 days, I have to say I'm impressed, it's not as buggy as you would think.
I've had 1 kernel panick (1.5 hours after first use) while iTunes and Safari are open.
No freezes.
Dashboard works well enough that I use it often. (although the Calculator will still be running while your not using it, wasting RAM; similar with other gagets)
Safari seems MUCH faster, it's like I have broadband all over again. Except that it has some problems on webpages, like I can't view them. (see pic below)
Many apps are unstable under Tiger, for example IE (who uses that anyway), I can't use the hotmail with Mail hack, ect.
When I try to watch full screen movies, the tital bar at the top of the screen is still visible.
Of course, these are all the bad aspects of Tiger.
It would take a much longer list to name all the good things.
and sorry the pic is a pdf, Preview won't export to a jpg.
I've had 1 kernel panick (1.5 hours after first use) while iTunes and Safari are open.
No freezes.
Dashboard works well enough that I use it often. (although the Calculator will still be running while your not using it, wasting RAM; similar with other gagets)
Safari seems MUCH faster, it's like I have broadband all over again. Except that it has some problems on webpages, like I can't view them. (see pic below)
Many apps are unstable under Tiger, for example IE (who uses that anyway), I can't use the hotmail with Mail hack, ect.
When I try to watch full screen movies, the tital bar at the top of the screen is still visible.
Of course, these are all the bad aspects of Tiger.
It would take a much longer list to name all the good things.
and sorry the pic is a pdf, Preview won't export to a jpg.
johnbro23 said:
Heh.. it'll be far from bug-free even when it ships!It's far less mature than Panther and Jaguar were when they were revealed to the public - since it's been shown far earlier.