Other It’s not about privacy for Apple.

[Mark Stone]

I voted Yes. Privacy can be viewed two ways: 1. - privacy in regards to advertising and tracking for that purpose, and 2. - protection from individuals or companies will ill intent. As far as advertising tracking, IDK. As far as keeping my stuff out of the hands of thieves and trolls, Apple’s pretty good.

If I look for guitar strings on my iPad, I like the flood of ads that come to me - it helps me make my purchase. However, if someone wants to hack into my Apple account, it is very, very difficult unless I get sloppy with my own preferences. The two-factor authentication and the “trusted device” features from Apple make me feel very secure.

 

[eyoungren]

I prefer to have multiple companies, each one possessing a small portion of my data, than a single company possessing it all.

This is exactly my meaning about not putting all my eggs in one basket or using just one service.

If someone is truly determined to get my info I have no way of stopping them. It's out there via either public lookup or website security breaches. But I'm not going to store it all in one place. They're going to have to piece it together while I do all I can to hide it away.

 

[Feyl]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

For all those people that can't wait for a major privacy intrusion caled CSAM, this story is a great example of what people like me are warning about and how the deep scanning of our lifes won't change anything regarding the actual crime. This is exactly the case which we discussed here and some people still said that it can't happen because Apple is comparing the hashes, etc.. Well, it's true that Google is using different approach but this story can tell you how every piece of technology can be and is faulty. And imagine how it could destroy your life if some major company will call you a criminal. Even though is isn't true the label will stay with you possibly forever.

 

[eyoungren]

If I look for guitar strings on my iPad, I like the flood of ads that come to me - it helps me make my purchase. However, if someone wants to hack into my Apple account, it is very, very difficult unless I get sloppy with my own preferences. The two-factor authentication and the “trusted device” features from Apple make me feel very secure.

Everyone is different. I hate ads, so if I'm doing something, even if it's looking for a product I wish to buy, I don't want to see ads.

Why? Because I won't be pushed. You can make me go from zero to white hot, all consuming rage in nothing flat by trying to push me. And that's what ads do.

And 9 times out of 10, the product being pushed at me is garbage. So now you're pushing me to spend my money on garbage.

No.

 

[unrigestered]

i just hope they will use some better "AI" than they do for the Safari URL auto-fill, which is by far the most useless thing i've ever seen and gives me incorrect results at least 90% of the time, while "stupid" stuff from the competitors simply give perfect results with just the first or second letter.

but even "good" AI will surely give some incorrect assessments, regarding photo evaluations

i also wouldn't be surprised if people already had been tagged "enemy to the system #1" by some harmless google searches to understand some reports about criminal acts better

 

[Madhatter32]

Apple is definitely more focused on privacy on a relative basis compared to Google, Twitter, etc. Apple also is more security focused on a relative basis compared to Microsoft and other computer manufacturers. So, for me, it's and obvious yes vote.

 

[VuvuzelaiPhone]

“I like Ads actually.” In a discussion about privacy. We’re so screwed.

 

[Gk200062YVR]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html

For all those people that can't wait for a major privacy intrusion caled CSAM, this story is a great example of what people like me are warning about and how the deep scanning of our lifes won't change anything regarding the actual crime. This is exactly the case which we discussed here and some people still said that it can't happen because Apple is comparing the hashes, etc.. Well, it's true that Google is using different approach but this story can tell you how every piece of technology can be and is faulty. And imagine how it could destroy your life if some major company will call you a criminal. Even though is isn't true the label will stay with you possibly forever.

That is because our federal government asking Apple to stop becoming a company that allows child sexual photos to circulate. That is the FBI and local police job, not Apple.

 

[Gk200062YVR]

“I like Ads actually.” In a discussion about privacy. We’re so screwed.

I want to pay the price for an ad-free subscription.

 

[moons_mooniverse]

I'm curious about this claim. Do you have a reference on this?

Sure. Just check Apple Note’s App Privacy in the App Store.

 

[russell_314]

It’s a business strategy only.

Wait you mean big corporations do things for a business strategy instead of trying to be charitable or “good”? No way! I can’t believe that (This is sarcasm just in case you can’t tell)

The thing is Apple sells privacy regardless of the motivation. Yes the motivation is about money but who cares. Just like their biggest competitor, Google’s motivation is about money when it comes to selling everything you do.

Do I believe Apple is really serious about privacy? Heck no! If they did they wouldn’t have added hidden scanning to your device. Regardless of the alleged motivation that is privacy flushed down the toilet.

Do I still buy Apple products? Absolutely just look at my signature here. What is the alternative? You have Microsoft that by default captures your keystrokes on Windows and android that is controlled by Google, the biggest advertising corporation in the world. If you’re serious about privacy you’re probably running some version of a De-Googled android phone along with Linux on your computer. This approach has some serious inconveniences that not everyone is willing to live with. You just have to make your choices as to what it’s worth for you.

 

[belvdr]

This is sarcasm just in case you can’t tell

/s

 

[VuvuzelaiPhone]

I want to pay the price for an ad-free subscription.

You’d be one of the few, which is why the rest of us will never be free of it.

 

[mikethemartian]

Apple’s claims about privacy remind me of those people that rage about porn in public but are addicted to it in private.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Of course Apple is a company and a lot of the things they say is pure marketing speak.
But I truly believe that there are plenty of top level executives in the company who truly believe in all of the privacy statements they make.
In fact, there’s been reports about it, employees trying to push for more privacy measures, other employees pushing back.

Report Highlights How Top Apple Executives Disagreed Over How Far iOS Anti-Tracking Measures Should Go

A new report has highlighted how three top prominent executives initially found themselves at odds in early deliberations about Apple's App...

www.macrumors.com

Obviously profit is king, but as long as people like Craig are at the company, I don’t think there’s any chance of them turning into the next Google or Facebook.

 

[Gk200062YVR]

Of course Apple is a company and a lot of the things they say is pure marketing speak.
But I truly believe that there are plenty of top level executives in the company who truly believe in all of the privacy statements they make.
In fact, there’s been reports about it, employees trying to push for more privacy measures, other employees pushing back.

Report Highlights How Top Apple Executives Disagreed Over How Far iOS Anti-Tracking Measures Should Go

A new report has highlighted how three top prominent executives initially found themselves at odds in early deliberations about Apple's App...

www.macrumors.com

Obviously profit is king, but as long as people like Craig are at the company, I don’t think there’s any chance of them turning into the next Google or Facebook.

Craig is not an Adman; he is a software developer by training.

 

[Feyl]

That is because our federal government asking Apple to stop becoming a company that allows child sexual photos to circulate. That is the FBI and local police job, not Apple.

And you can totally trust your government intentions, right? It’s not like they asked Apple to make a backdoor for them.

 

[Gk200062YVR]

And you can totally trust your government intentions, right? It’s not like they asked Apple to make a backdoor for them.

Congress passed the law some time ago about child pron prevention.
https://www.missingkids.org/theissues/csam - The law makes Apple report all cases of child porn when customers use
iCloud.

 

[unrigestered]

it also depends under which government you are living in.
in some countries, you might be considered a terrorist if you just say that you think the government did something wrong, or even just questionable.
and this could change too, even in countries where we're not having such problems

 

[Feyl]

Congress passed the law some time ago about child pron prevention.

We can go through this rabbit hole. Again, you can trust your government about their intentions. And I feel you. But you have to look at all the cases of your government officials who break laws all the time and get away with it. But feel free to trust your government.

 

[Gk200062YVR]

it also depends under which government you are living in.
in some countries, you might be considered a terrorist if you just say that you think the government did something wrong, or even just questionable.
and this could change too, even in countries where we're not having such problems

Exactly. Hong Kong and the USA. NSL and CHild porn laws respectively are making residents mad.

 

[Gk200062YVR]

We can go through this rabbit hole. Again, you can trust your government about their intentions. And I feel you. But you have to look at all the cases of your government officials who break laws all the time and get away with it. But feel free to trust your government.

Repeal that stupid law. Apple should not be doing law enforcement jobs.

 

[Fatus_Asticus]

What happened when Apple initiated the privacy changes for app tracking? Companies like Facebook saw immediate declines in profits and their ability to track and advertise to users.

Compared to what? I can go to Google's platform Android and give even more information not only to Google but everyone else?

I wouldn't say Apple is the least bad option, I'd say Apple is still a very good option as far as privacy is concerned. Maybe that will change in the future but for now, yes, they are privacy focused.

 

[Gk200062YVR]

What happened when Apple initiated the privacy changes for app tracking? Companies like Facebook saw immediate declines in profits and their ability to track and advertise to users.

Compared to what? I can go to Google's platform Android and give even more information not only to Google but everyone else?

I wouldn't say Apple is the least bad option, I'd say Apple is still a very good option as far as privacy is concerned. Maybe that will change in the future but for now, yes, they are privacy focused.

Craig should be CEO of Apple - privacy things are his pet project.

 

[Weed]

Of course not. The USA is a surveillance state. Government loves spying and pays businesses your money (taxes) to buy your own data.

If you trust Apple with your data it means that you don't mind Uncle Sam snooping on everything single thing you do.