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Jobs to Fill a Seat at Disney?
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He is responsible for defining what 'creative' is within the walls of Apple. Liken it to a director who is given several hundred designs for one character in a movie (I'm thinking of Peter Jackson here). Ultimately, the team did the creation, but the director defined it, pushed it, asked for specific changes, etc. The products leaving Apple are the creations of hundreds, filtered through and approved by the narrowed goals and vision of a very few people, Jobs being chief among them.
If he chooses well, they have a hit, otherwise they tank (cube). He's done well over the past several years, much better than his predecessors who probably didn't act as much as a dictatorial creative driver and filter as he does.
And I think he does let Apple employees try new things, within the confines of his own control
Actually, that reminds me... I believe a promo video for the flat panel iMac (maybe a news article, it's been awhile now!) showed Ives explaining the iterative design process. Jobs made comments that influenced the floating LCD design (something along the idea of letting the form follow the function and letting the LCD be an LCD). If not for instances like that, just good enough would be the norm at Apple again. Jobs makes everyone push further.
Originally posted by themacolyte
He is responsible for defining what 'creative' is within the walls of Apple. Liken it to a director who is given several hundred designs for one character in a movie (I'm thinking of Peter Jackson here). Ultimately, the team did the creation, but the director defined it, pushed it, asked for specific changes, etc. The products leaving Apple are the creations of hundreds, filtered through and approved by the narrowed goals and vision of a very few people, Jobs being chief among them.
If he chooses well, they have a hit, otherwise they tank (cube). He's done well over the past several years, much better than his predecessors who probably didn't act as much as a dictatorial creative driver and filter as he does.
And I think he does let Apple employees try new things, within the confines of his own control
Actually, that reminds me... I believe a promo video for the flat panel iMac (maybe a news article, it's been awhile now!) showed Ives explaining the iterative design process. Jobs made comments that influenced the floating LCD design (something along the idea of letting the form follow the function and letting the LCD be an LCD). If not for instances like that, just good enough would be the norm at Apple again. Jobs makes everyone push further.
Well that was kind of my point. I was writing in response to a post that said pixar's creativity really had little to do with jobs. Same as at apple the actual creatiojn general has little to do with him, though it certainly is shaped and approved by him. His strength is as an executive that pushes for innovative design and not compromising because something might be risky, not a content creator per say.
All I can say is if Pixar and Disney merge and Steve moves all his people into Disney Studios, then I call first dibs on Pixar's old digs.
Yeah, what was I thinking.. I must have been out of my mind. They're only about a dollar under their 52 week high and trading up.
LOL
Jobs at Apple: Creative Director. Guides vision and runs the company at his own whim.
Jobs at Pixar: Stands back and hopes he doesn't screw up John L.'s work. More of concerned investor than a hands-on job (and he's admitted as much in interviews)
2 different roles and if Jobs was at Disney he'd most certainly adopt the "Apple" role (after all, that's what board members are supposed to do.)
Originally posted by legion
Yeah, what was I thinking.. I must have been out of my mind. They're only about a dollar under their 52 week high and trading up.
LOL
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Jobs at Apple: Creative Director. Guides vision and runs the company at his own whim.
Jobs at Pixar: Stands back and hopes he doesn't screw up John L.'s work. More of concerned investor than a hands-on job (and he's admitted as much in interviews)
2 different roles and if Jobs was at Disney he'd most certainly adopt the "Apple" role (after all, that's what board members are supposed to do.)
Did I ever say the STOCK was the problem? No you need to know what's going inside the company. Eisner is cutting back massively. Feature Animation is almost dead, the theme parks are being stripped down. Eisner even wants to outsource the running of the parks and hotels to outside vendors.
Let me help you at then...
For a PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY if the stock is UP then the company is doing well. It means both the company is financially well off and that the investors expect that trend to continue. That's it; that is the concept of a company doing well (its assets are being managed well.. if that entails killing Feature Animation and outsourcing the parks, so be it. You're running a company, not trying to keep joe schmo happy on the streets... the only people you care about are investors and lending institutions/credit ratings)
Yeah, my sig. But what about the cheaply added Dino Rama or all of California Adventure or WD Studios Paris?
While the stock may be up now, people will stop comming due to lack of quality.
If Jobs works for Disney, then my PC friends will be right when they say macs are mickey mouse computers. :-(
I used to think that until I heard Woz speak. In the days that Apple's were being produced in a garage, Jobs was thinking things that came to be ten or more years later.
He's got some extraordinary talents -- I'm glad we've got him on our team!
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Oh geez. The only thing it tells if anything that Eisner has a smart accountant on his team that is able to fix the book the public is going to see in a way that they look good. If you keep outsourcing stuff and selling stuff of course you can arrange the books in a way that they look good. Question is if that will be sufficient to keep the company afloat in the long term. I'd rather see the internal books before I call that company financially healthy. Second, I'd have though that after the DotCom Blowup everybody learned the lesson that the stock market tells you JACK about the actual situation of the company. It just means that the amount of lemmings and idiots that cry BUY BUY is larger than the amount of lemmings and idiots that cry SELL SELL.
Cheers,
Ahmed
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And you don't even have to take the DotComs. Enron anyone? Worldcom? Xerox? The list is ENDLESS. Or how about Chrysler. It was such a HOT buy when Mercedes decided to buy the company. Turned out when they had it it was a hollow shell, all the good people were long gone before the merger even took place and the finances and costs were a complete mess. So much about the stock price telling you ANYTHING about the value and the situation of a company.
Cheers,
Ahmed
Jobs & Disney
let's look at it this way.
Let Roy Disney join Pixar as Pres. of Feature Animation.
You wanna prove that there is a real "brain-drain" going on at Walt Disney Co? THAT'S what should happen.
Eisner doesn't like Jobs because Jobs has proven to be a tougher negotiator than Eisner ever expected. THAT... and Pixar has more than proven their worth to Disney and can write their own ticket now... with or without Disney.
let's look at it this way.
Let Roy Disney join Pixar as Pres. of Feature Animation.
You wanna prove that there is a real "brain-drain" going on at Walt Disney Co? THAT'S what should happen.
Eisner doesn't like Jobs because Jobs has proven to be a tougher negotiator than Eisner ever expected. THAT... and Pixar has more than proven their worth to Disney and can write their own ticket now... with or without Disney.
Creativity isnt such a small term
Hey all-
Just wanted to mention that the definition of creativity doesnt have to have ANYTHING to do film, pictures, music or anything like that- Its having a vision, taking the proper steps to realize it, and keeping the compromise at a minimum- I think that qualifies Mr. Jobs. Steve is a crative thinker and has the guts to accomplish it. Much like the great creative strengths in all the media industries...somehow, the bastid's even figured out how to get rich from it while still alive too......
My 2 cents
Hey all-
Just wanted to mention that the definition of creativity doesnt have to have ANYTHING to do film, pictures, music or anything like that- Its having a vision, taking the proper steps to realize it, and keeping the compromise at a minimum- I think that qualifies Mr. Jobs. Steve is a crative thinker and has the guts to accomplish it. Much like the great creative strengths in all the media industries...somehow, the bastid's even figured out how to get rich from it while still alive too......
My 2 cents
