Really?SIRI has the one up on sarcasm and sass
Don't start harrasing Cortana then. You'll find some sass and sarcasm right back at you.
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Mozilla is done with Snow Leopard
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Don't start harrasing Cortana then. You'll find some sass and sarcasm right back at you.
Really? Usually when I try to ask Cortana stuff that Siri responds sarcastically to, she just searches the internet. Oddly enough, it's hard to have a casual conversation with Cortana. You can however carry on a conversation with Cortana unlike SiriReally?
Don't start harrasing Cortana then. You'll find some sass and sarcasm right back at you.
I bought it last summer. Ironically enough, it took them less time to mail me a physical disk that it did to get my redemption codes for Lion and Mavericks(I went on a binge of buying every version of OS X while I still could).
In any case, I bought both server and client versions. The server version is still available something of a niche product-as far as I know it's the only one with an EULA that permits virtualization(on a Mac), and presumably it's there for folks who still HAVE to use Rosetta for legacy software. Server and client are both the same price($19.99, and unlimited client on the server version), and I was actually a bit surprised that they even still sell the client version.
And, again, when I bought Lion and Mountain Lion(both at separate times) it took a full 24 hours to get the redemption code through email. I also order SL server and client separately, and in both cases I called some time after noon local time. Each was on my door step the next morning.
Yes…Apple is still selling it. But there's a reason why.
There are still lots of people on older Intel Macs, some of which are running versions older than SL. Apple wants those customers to move to Yosemite and above.
But every version of OS X since Lion has been available via download from the App store ONLY.
How do you get access to the App store if you are running anything older than OS X 10.6.6? You upgrade!
So, Apple makes it real cheap for these people to get a copy of Snow Leopard, install it, open the App store app and then upgrade to a higher version of OS X.
And THAT'S why Apple is still selling Snow Leopard.
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Are you sure? I know Chrome dropped support for 32 bit processors, so the Core Duo iMac's are no longer supported. I have both a Core Duo and Core 2 Duo iMac. Chrome still works on the Core Duo, but no longer gets updates. Last I checked, Firefox works on both the 32 bit (Core Duo) and 64 bit (Core 2 Duo) machine and continues to get updates on both.
They are dropping support for 32 bit or for 64? It doesn't make sense that they would drop Snow Leopard altogether when it's a 64 bit os. It's also Intel only, so why would it be an issue for them to keep it updated?
When Firefox is built for newer versions of OS X it must constantly be checked for backwards compatibility with the older APIs in Snow Leopard. Not only is this tedious, but it limits what the app can support on newer versions of OS X when the API isn't available in Snow Leopard.
This link was posted earlier in the thread and explains some of the more technical details: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-practicality-of-case-for-tensixfox.html
Can't they just disable any features that wouldn't work on Snow Leopard? Regardless, I can't see how anything that would run on El Capitan, wouldn't run on Snow Leopard...
So I guess Snow Leopard is screwed. Chrome is unsupported on the Core Duo and The Core 2 Duo will lose support in April 2016; Firefox is also killing off Snow Leopard.
So what browser choices do we have? Both my White iMac's run Snow Leopard dual boot with Windows XP. Funny, I could upgrade to Windows 7 then update to Windows 10 and the computer would retain the up to date versions of Chrome and Firefox...
From what I've read on the TFF blog, that would wind up disabling pretty much everything in Firefox.
By the way, in reference to disk utility-here's the new one
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For what it's worth, I've seen folks mentioning using the one from Yosemite. The computer I'm using at the moment(actually bought specifically to test new OS releases) dual boots Yosemite and Mavericks. Out of habit, to load disk utility I keyed it into Sherlock...sorry I mean Spotlight and it found the Yosemite copy when I hit enter. The version launched, and then told me it couldn't run on this version of the OS.
Granted, this computer rarely gets booted into Yosemite(or even booted in general for that matter) so I'm sure I'm behind by a couple of major revisions . Just this evening, I upgraded it from 10.11.0 to 10.11.4
For what it's worth, I've seen folks mentioning using the one from Yosemite. The computer I'm using at the moment(actually bought specifically to test new OS releases) dual boots Yosemite and Mavericks. Out of habit, to load disk utility I keyed it into Sherlock...sorry I mean Spotlight and it found the Yosemite copy when I hit enter. The version launched, and then told me it couldn't run on this version of the OS.
Granted, this computer rarely gets booted into Yosemite(or even booted in general for that matter) so I'm sure I'm behind by a couple of major revisions
. Just this evening, I upgraded it from 10.11.0 to 10.11.4 
Yosemite's Disk Utility does work on El-Cap, here is a photo of them side by side.By the way, in reference to disk utility-here's the new one
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For what it's worth, I've seen folks mentioning using the one from Yosemite. The computer I'm using at the moment(actually bought specifically to test new OS releases) dual boots Yosemite and Mavericks. Out of habit, to load disk utility I keyed it into Sherlock...sorry I mean Spotlight and it found the Yosemite copy when I hit enter. The version launched, and then told me it couldn't run on this version of the OS.
Granted, this computer rarely gets booted into Yosemite(or even booted in general for that matter) so I'm sure I'm behind by a couple of major revisions
Everything seems to function except still no permissions repair.
It will run, but you have to modify the binary to disable the version check. You can download the modified version in this thread, or modify it yourself.By the way, in reference to disk utility-here's the new one
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For what it's worth, I've seen folks mentioning using the one from Yosemite. The computer I'm using at the moment(actually bought specifically to test new OS releases) dual boots Yosemite and Mavericks. Out of habit, to load disk utility I keyed it into Sherlock...sorry I mean Spotlight and it found the Yosemite copy when I hit enter. The version launched, and then told me it couldn't run on this version of the OS.
Granted, this computer rarely gets booted into Yosemite(or even booted in general for that matter) so I'm sure I'm behind by a couple of major revisions
Already pretty outdated, it doesn't even render the main page of this forum properly. There are test builds of a newer version available, but those are for 10.10+.
Tenfourfox is the most up to date browser available for PowerPC Mac. There is no PowerPC browser you can name that is more up to date on PowerPC systems that would be better just because Snow Leopard.
Chrome and Firefox were the last up to date versions capable of running on SL systems.
The only real option now is T4Fx under Rosetta.
And either staying on SL, downgrading to SL, or upgrading to a newer Mac OS if possible.
You'll only need SL if you have a Core Duo mac (early-mid 2006). All Core 2 Duo macs (late-2006 onwards) can run at least Lion. This isn't always great - as the Macs with the lower-end chipsets (Intel GMA 950 is noturious) have bad graphics performance and are often sluggish under Lion.
However if you have a slightly newer mac (mid-2007 iMac / 2008 or newer MacBook) then you can run El Capitan and have browser support for years.
However if you have a slightly newer mac (mid-2007 iMac / 2008 or newer MacBook) then you can run El Capitan and have browser support for years.
I've shoehorned ML on the only GMA950 I have at the moment(as well as on the X1900 in my Blackbook) but that's a realistic limit for them. ML does give some advantages like Messages, but Mavericks is a reasonable bottom end. Heck, let's be realistic-it's my main OS
I was using my mid-09 Macbook(pre-Unibody) last night, and it actually does surprisingly well with El Capitan-I'd say better than Yosemite. It has an SSD, though, which makes a huge difference. One thing I will say is that I think memory management is improved with every version of OS X. The Macbook with 4gb DDR-2 seems to manage its memory than my 2011 Macbook Pro did under Lion with 8gb of DDR-3. Both my main Macbook Pro(mid-2012) and my Mac Pro have 16gb, which honestly I think is overkill for the time being.
BTW, it's worth mentioning in all of this that those of us with Mac Pro 1,1s keep soldiering on
. Mine's at 8(physical) cores and has an SSD-I could run El Capitan, but choose to not do so. When my GPU stops being supported, I can throw in another .
MLPostFactor makes running Mountain Lion possible on Macs that officially only support Lion, and performance is the same if not better than Lion, so really Mountain Lion support should have been given to those Macs by Apple. I have not personally tried ML on a GMA 950, but on my unsupported late 2006 24" iMac it runs better than Lion.
That being said, Firefox (as well as Google Chrome) is dropping support for 10.6, 10.7, 10.8 all at once so it doesn't do much good to go to 10.8. Opera is still compatible with 10.7+ for the time being, but I'm not sure how long that will last.
No. But, just like PowerPC users, at a certain point you have to adapt to the limitations.
I used TenFourFox G3 version 38 on my MBP at Starbucks over the weekend. It's no slower than T4Fx on my PowerBook.
Obsolecence and app developers abandoning us came for PowerPC long ago. It not going to be any different for the early Intel crowd.