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Boston007

macrumors 6502
Apr 9, 2010
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I'm not sure I understand why this is so important.

I'm an engineering grad student, and the only thing I've ever used high speed internet for (that's school related) is downloaded 300 MB video lectures. Instead of having to wait an hour or so for it to download, I waited for a minute. But I could have easily filled that hour with other activities.

I'm all for bettering internet infrastructure and getting higher speeds to everyone, but let's be honest, this isn't really doing that much to better education for students.

It won't. It's a feel good program to make people think it's worthy.
There are much much better ways to spend money on Education(which we already seem to spend enough)
 

Rad99004

macrumors 6502
Nov 12, 2009
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I'm not sure I understand why this is so important.

I'm an engineering grad student, and the only thing I've ever used high speed internet for (that's school related) is downloaded 300 MB video lectures. Instead of having to wait an hour or so for it to download, I waited for a minute. But I could have easily filled that hour with other activities.

I'm all for bettering internet infrastructure and getting higher speeds to everyone, but let's be honest, this isn't really doing that much to better education for students.


I would imagine that future education (K-12) will be internet based from the home not the current school based system. So faster internet is needed. Rural areas still don't have real internet. In the past subsidies were used to provide internet in small out lying towns but providing no internet between those towns.

For example my phone company still only provides dial up or the option of satellite internet. Both are a joke. Needless to say dial up is too slow and satellite internet has low data caps, latency and is way to expensive.
 

76ShovelHead

macrumors 6502a
May 30, 2010
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Florida
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist."
---Dom Hélder Câmara

We should have an education system that is properly funded because of a democratic will to take care of every child, rather than having to applaud the bread and circuses distraction of charity and philanthropy.

If the system were working correctly, we wouldn't need welfare, or any other kind of after the fact handout.

Educate people, feed them, clothe them, put a roof over their heads, give them meaningful work to do, and then your fears of crime and war disappear.

I have to disagree. We are already feeding them and k12 education is there for every child.

The problem is with the parents. [/RANT]
 
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Aeolius

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Jul 25, 2002
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Why is it the government's responsibility to do most of this?... It is not the government's job to do these things. It is an individual's job to do these things.

On the nosey.

It should have been eliminated years and years ago. All of it should be cut. The federal government should be so minimal that we don't even notice it.

Agreed. Start with a flat tax and small government and then we'll take it from there.
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
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In my imagination
It's not MY problem you don't want to work, can't find a job, or have 5 kids. But it is my problem when you're abusing your citizenship when you have a higher paying job than I do and make a living on collecting food stamps and other government programs.

Please READ more before you make weird comments.

I wouldn't want you to get used to the taste of your own foot in your mouth.

p.s. Actually click on the link and read.
 

longofest

Editor emeritus
Jul 10, 2003
2,925
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Falls Church, VA
I'm not sure I understand why this is so important.

I'm an engineering grad student, and the only thing I've ever used high speed internet for (that's school related) is downloading 300 MB video lectures. Instead of having to wait an hour or so for it to download, I waited for a minute. But I could have easily filled that hour with other activities.

I'm all for bettering internet infrastructure and getting higher speeds to everyone, but let's be honest, this isn't really doing that much to better education for students.

I don't know if I have all of the use cases in my head, but generally the more bandwidth you have the more freely information can flow. This is certainly not a bad thing.
 

Boston007

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Apr 9, 2010
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It should have been eliminated years and years ago. All of it should be cut. The federal government should be so minimal that we don't even notice it.

Good luck trying to get that.
We will be dead sadly before that happens, if it ever will.

People despise the Tea Party but that's exactly what the Tea Party wants, a minimal federal government.
 

Thunderhawks

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Feb 17, 2009
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It's not an issue. It was a question raised in the thread and I responded that we don't know. Why are people getting so defensive as if it matters either way. I think it's great that Apple is participating. Whether they are donating, offering incentive pricing or whatever. They are involved.

Exactly my point.

Why even bring up that question or mention they may only do it because they want future customers?

It's all good. Somebody is doing something:)
 

longofest

Editor emeritus
Jul 10, 2003
2,925
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Falls Church, VA
I think the government needs to cut funding on social programs such as food stamps and welfare... I see so many medical professionals on a daily basis (There's a hospital or doctors office on every corner here in FLA) and they come in, buy our deli subs or whatever, and pay with food stamps.

If someone gets laid off and becomes unemployed or under-employed for a time, I would want them to have food stamps available to them as they try to get back into the groove. If someone is relying on food stamps for practically their entire life, which absolutely happens way too often, then that is a different question and I agree we need to cut that dependency. However, what I am unwilling to do is cut off legitimate lifelines for people who need them on a temporary basis.
 

Boston007

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Apr 9, 2010
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If someone gets laid off and becomes unemployed or under-employed for a time, I would want them to have food stamps available to them as they try to get back into the groove. If someone is relying on food stamps for practically their entire life, which absolutely happens way too often, then that is a different question and I agree we need to cut that dependency. However, what I am unwilling to do is cut off legitimate lifelines for people who need them on a temporary basis.

Absolutely no one wants that, not even the mean old Tea Party people and the GOP, as much as the liberal media and Democrats would have you believe.
 

Renzatic

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It should have been eliminated years and years ago. All of it should be cut. The federal government should be so minimal that we don't even notice it.

Agreed. Start with a flat tax and small government and then we'll take it from there.

I see the concept of small government tossed around as if it's an answer in and of itself. But tell me, what does it solve? Do you expect everything that's normally covered by government to be picked up by the free market? Like social safety nets? Education initiatives? Can they nationalized on the same level by a private enterprise? Can they be trusted to always work in our best interest? What if they don't? Who's there to regulate them? Should we allow businesses to do as the will, and hope any problems that arise eventually work themselves out?

I guess if you want a return to the environment of the late 19th, early 20th century, and another eventual stock market crash like we saw in the 30's, that would be the way to go. Completely unregulated capitalism. Where you have a ton of industries who's sole purposes are to make as much money as possible for themselves, and damn the consequences. That's a system that only benefits a select few, and chances are good that most of the people preaching for such a system wouldn't be one of them.

We need a system that take everything and everyone into account. From the richest of the rich, to the poorest of the poor. A system that benefits from everyone succeeding because its in its own best interest to make sure everyone does so. Right now, there's no other large entity in place that can better do that job than a national government. It wants to make sure its poorest citizens becomes productive and educated, that it's richest corporations can continue running smoothly, but regulating them so that one particularly large corporation doesn't harm the smaller, but equally successful corporations and small businesses that work below it. A system that makes sure every single bit and piece in a much larger system turns well to its own benefit, which in turn benefits every bit and piece in the whole.

You shouldn't be asking for a smaller government. That might sound nice, but it's not really what you want. What you really want is a more transparent, efficient government. Which, right now, we don't have.
 

Renzatic

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BUT Obama said he would make transparency and the rule of law the touchstone of his administration.

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4AJ843ERnU

And what do you know, Obama was just another president in a long line of presidents that ended up being a disappointment for all of us.

I'm not one of those people who thinks he's this big black Kenyan socialist boogman. He's not. What he is...is an American president. Only slightly different than the other democrat presidents who came before him.

And that's really more our fault than his. He's the end result of a process we've allowed to continue because we've all started thinking of our political allegiances as a favorite sports team that has to be backed in good times or bad, rather than one of the guys we hire to get a job done.

The biggest problem with America is you and me, because we've let rhetoric, party lines, and scapegoating take the place of critical thinking. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M FOR A PRO BUSINESS SMALL GOVERNMENT, I JUST KNOW THAT I AM.
 

Aeolius

macrumors 6502a
Jul 25, 2002
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You shouldn't be asking for a smaller government. That might sound nice, but it's not really what you want. What you really want is a more transparent, efficient government. Which, right now, we don't have.

Umm.. no. I want a government that keeps it's dirty hands out of my paycheck. If I want to donate to a charity, it is my choice. I do not want to be overtaxed to fund ridiculous stimulus projects. I do not want government to dabble in the auto industry, banks, or healthcare. I want to be left alone. I want a small government.
 

Boston007

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Apr 9, 2010
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And what do you know, Obama was just another president in a long line of presidents that ended up being a disappointment for all of us.

I'm not one of those people who thinks he's this big black Kenyan socialist boogman. He's not. What he is...is an American president. Only slightly different than the other democrat presidents who came before him.

And that's really more our fault than his. He's the end result of a process we've allowed to continue because we've all started thinking of our political allegiances as a favorite sports team that has to be backed in good times or bad, rather than one of the guys we hire to get a job done.

The biggest problem with America is you and me, because we've let rhetoric, party lines, and scapegoating take the place of critical thinking. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M FOR A PRO BUSINESS SMALL GOVERNMENT, I JUST KNOW THAT I AM.

I know.
YET he got elected to a second term.
 

Renzatic

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Umm.. no. I want a government that keeps it's dirty hands out of my paycheck. If I want to donate to a charity, it is my choice. I do not want to be overtaxed to fund ridiculous stimulus projects. I do not want government to dabble in the auto industry, banks, or healthcare. I want to be left alone. I want a small government.

And this is why we're all doomed to failure, people. America has become a country of solipsists. Our neighbors have nothing to do with us, because we believe ourselves islands separated from the rest.

I'm rich solely because of my hard work. Not because I live in a system that allows me to convert my hard work to material wealth.

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I know.
YET he got elected to a second term.

Well...yeah. But that's because he was the lesser of two *******s.
 

melendezest

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Jan 28, 2010
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"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist."
---Dom Hélder Câmara

We should have an education system that is properly funded because of a democratic will to take care of every child, rather than having to applaud the bread and circuses distraction of charity and philanthropy.

If the system were working correctly, we wouldn't need welfare, or any other kind of after the fact handout.

Educate people, feed them, clothe them, put a roof over their heads, give them meaningful work to do, and then your fears of crime and war disappear.

Very poignant and accurate...on paper.

Unfortunately, it ignores the most fundamental variable in the equation:

People, aka. human free-will, and it's insatiable appetite for more.

There is no existing system that can account for, address, and mitigate this variable, shy of an indestructible totalitarian rule. And still, people will choose to do differently than what they are told.

Didn't you watch The Matrix?:p
 

ActionableMango

macrumors G3
Sep 21, 2010
9,612
6,907
We should have an education system that is properly funded because of a democratic will to take care of every child, rather than having to applaud the bread and circuses distraction of charity and philanthropy.

What is proper funding?

The US already spends more per student than any other country. We already spend a higher percentage of GDP than any other country (and we have a ridiculously high GDP). And we already spend a higher total amount on education than any other country.

One of the advantages of charity and philanthropy is that it gives donors the ability to target money in unusual and unique ways instead of simply feeding the endlessly hungry maw. This enables us to see how different methods and ideas can work (or not work). Typically when you try to apply change within the system, the teacher's unions simply shut it down. Over and over again.
 

theheadguy

macrumors 65816
Apr 26, 2005
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1,390
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Porn. Cross country sexting. And a plethora of distractions keeping most kids out of the loop. I remember something similar back when the iBook was created. It hasn't helped our schools develop better students or academicians. We're slinking down on the world stage, but shoveling money into kitsch-tech which is seen as a magical-pill solution for our ills. Good for Apple and other tech companies. Good for the big-gov. machine. Bad for 99% of the students and the taxpayers below the salt.

Stop taking your internet addictions and applying it to every school child out there. This country's future physicians, lawyers, educators, scientists, and entrepreneurs are not going to get a first rate education with only a pen and pencil and dated textbooks from your golden years. Your backward thinking is what is bad for our country.
 

osx11

macrumors 6502a
Jan 16, 2011
825
0
I'm not sure I understand why this is so important.

I'm an engineering grad student, and the only thing I've ever used high speed internet for (that's school related) is downloading 300 MB video lectures. Instead of having to wait an hour or so for it to download, I waited for a minute. But I could have easily filled that hour with other activities.

I'm all for bettering internet infrastructure and getting higher speeds to everyone, but let's be honest, this isn't really doing that much to better education for students.

I agree! But who knows?

Maybe gigabit internet across school in the US will lead do more creative/interactive ways of learning. More video tutorials, for example? If teachers are poorly educated, what's wrong with playing a video form someone who knows what they are talking about? I don't know, but I think the possibilities are endless. And it's certainly an improvement. I know more and more teachers (and university professors) are using youtube videos for educational purposes. And this trend will only continue.
 

chirpie

macrumors 6502a
Jul 23, 2010
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I like the sound of that, except that you can't legislate people to ignore their nature of greed and envy.

Only partly true. We have roadblocks for greed at the very least. Laws against monopolies for one. Minimum wage for another.
 
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