iPhone 13 Pro Privacy issue and charging nonsense

[OneBar]

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I'm not sure what the weight of a battery has to do with your argument here. Yeah, heavier batteries generate more emissions than smaller batteries, but you have to be driving a very heavy EV to generate more emissions than even the most efficient gas cars [...]

Actually incorrect. The emissions to manufacture just the battery pack for a Model 3 exceeds the emissions to manufacture and operate a complete regular ICE vehicle for something like 5 years. They just don't look at those emissions as being related to the vehicle because the vehicle isn't directly generating them. This also completely disregards the emissions from the power source that generated the electricity, the typical heat conversion that takes place between generation and transmission termination, and the relative efficiency of EVs is pretty junk because of those 1000 lb batteries coupled with a regular 3000 lb vehicle. A Model 3 weighs more than my 2007 Crown Vic while being a physically smaller vehicle.

@Vref, your location is known. If you have electricity, internet, property taxes, sewer, water, any other service, that's where someone nefarious is going to get your information from, not from your mobile device. Your mobile device knows generally where you are from cell tower triangulation but your services and government know precisely where you are and store that info in a very accessible site. Your property taxes are public information and give the precise location of your property. Plus that's probably online for anyone to see.

 

[Analog Kid]

Actually incorrect. The emissions to manufacture just the battery pack for a Model 3 exceeds the emissions to manufacture and operate a complete regular ICE vehicle for something like 5 years. They just don't look at those emissions as being related to the vehicle because the vehicle isn't directly generating them. This also completely disregards the emissions from the power source that generated the electricity, the typical heat conversion that takes place between generation and transmission termination, and the relative efficiency of EVs is pretty junk because of those 1000 lb batteries coupled with a regular 3000 lb vehicle. A Model 3 weighs more than my 2007 Crown Vic while being a physically smaller vehicle.

I linked and quoted my source pretty clearly.

 

[bondr006]

So I learn that my phone is charge crippled for Apple to be pretend to be “green”, never mind their non user replaceable parts….but I’m sure “that’s different” 😂

Yeah so this phone slows down it’s charge rate based on where it THINKS I get my electrical power from

Use Clean Energy Charging on your iPhone - Apple Support

With iOS 16.1, your iPhone can try to reduce your carbon footprint by selectively charging when lower carbon-emission electricity is available.

support.apple.com

So obviously I go to setting, battery, battery health and turn that BS off

Then I think to myself, how does it know where I am charging, I go to privacy and system services, we’ll the battery green nanny BS isn’t listed as a location requesting service…. So is it a process Apple refuses to let you control sending your location from, or is tied to another service?


Not impressed Apple

LOL!!! My goodness man, get a grip!!! Immediately thought of....

 

[innominato5090]

Fair enough, but normally on the iPhone it shows the different system services requesting location, seems Apple isn’t showing this “service”

FYI system services by default don’t show when they are asking for location unless you toggle this switch in Settings, Privacy & Security, Location Services, System Services.

 

[Bug-Creator]

Wow, some must have ripped off 29 extra pages from their calendar....

Is this feature a pointless gimmick? YES
Is the whining way out of proportion? YES
Does it require an exact location to work or has to know if you have solar? NO (all it needs to know wether you are connected to the grid).

 

[Vlad Soare]

Is the whining way out of proportion? YES

Some of the whining comes from the frustration of seeing Apple go out of their way to implement stupid, useless, gimmicks, while major failings of iOS remain unaddressed forever.
Give me some proper anti-spam options first, for instance, and then I won't mind your eco gimmicks.

 

[I7guy]

Wow, some must have ripped off 29 extra pages from their calendar....

Is this feature a pointless gimmick? YES

Well no. Is it pointless if every car saved a .5 gallon a day? Or each household saved a gallon of water a day? There are grids that have peak and non-peak hours and are powered by some "green" energy options. In general saving potentially hundreds of millions of megawatts a day on charging could make a difference.

Is the whining way out of proportion? YES
Does it require an exact location to work or has to know if you have solar? NO (all it needs to know wether you are connected to the grid).

Whining is a hallmark of some MR posters unfortunately.

Some of the whining comes from the frustration of seeing Apple go out of their way to implement stupid, useless, gimmicks, while major failings of iOS remain unaddressed forever.
Give me some proper anti-spam options first, for instance, and then I won't mind your eco gimmicks.

IMO, as I said above it's not a gimmick any more than stop-start in cars, which can be annoying. I know some thing that Apple can't add emoji while fixing bugs simultaneously and the same person must work on both. And don't forget one persons "major failings of IOS' represents another persons meh or even feature.

And I thought anti-spam options were available on IOS? Maybe not to the depth that you want, but they are there.

 

[Vlad Soare]

And I thought anti-spam options were available on IOS? Maybe not to the depth that you want, but they are there.

Whatever is available is next to useless.

Can we block incoming calls from hidden numbers? No.
Can we block incoming calls from specific countries or areas? No. (Only with third party apps, and even then only to a limited degree, so that doesn't count).
Can we block incoming text messages from senders that don't have a phone number? No.
Can we block incoming text messages that contain specific words? No.

What we can do:
- block incoming calls and messages from specific numbers
- er... that's it

That's primitive to say the least. But boy, am I happy that it charges at 'eco' hours to 'save the planet'.

 

[Bug-Creator]

In general saving potentially hundreds of millions of megawatts a day on charging could make a difference.

I think your math is off just a little tiny itsy bitsy bit...

10 trillion phones charging (if we assume an average of 10W).

 

[I7guy]

Whatever is available is next to useless.

Can we block incoming calls from hidden numbers? No.
Can we block incoming calls from specific countries or areas? No. (Only with third party apps, and even then only to a limited degree, so that doesn't count).
Can we block incoming text messages from senders that don't have a phone number? No.
Can we block incoming text messages that contain specific words? No.

What we can do:
- block incoming calls and messages from specific numbers
- er... that's it

That's primitive to say the least. But boy, am I happy that it charges at 'eco' hours to 'save the planet'.

That's your list though. For the above I'm ambivalent as well as ambivalent about green charging. Everybody has their own unique set of requirements they would like to see Apple to implement. For all I know there are third party solutions that do this and that is why Apple is not implementing the above.

 

[cthompson94]

That's your list though. For the above I'm ambivalent as well as ambivalent about green charging. Everybody has their own unique set of requirements they would like to see Apple to implement. For all I know there are third party solutions that do this and that is why Apple is not implementing the above.

for example your Carrier, not to mention all the spam calls and texts constantly change their methods to avoid detection like everything else so IMO it should be more on the carrier being able to filter this stuff than Apple

 

[Vlad Soare]

That's your list though.

Fair enough. But these are simple, basic features that any modern smartphone should have, and that would get rid of most of the spam calls and messages, whereas what's already available can barely help in very few situations at best.
If you never had a need for any of those features I've listed, then consider yourself lucky.

For all I know there are third party solutions that do this and that is why Apple is not implementing the above.

If you could recommend me third party apps that can do all (or at least some) of those things, I would be really grateful. I'm not being sarcastic; I really mean it. I couldn't find anything when I tried, but I may have missed something.

 

[I7guy]

Fair enough. But these are simple, basic features that any modern smartphone should have, and that would get rid of most of the spam calls and messages, whereas what's already available can barely help in very few situations at best.
If you never had a need for any of those features I've listed, then consider yourself lucky.


If you could recommend me third party apps that can do all (or at least some) of those things, I would be really grateful. I'm not being sarcastic; I really mean it. I couldn't find anything when I tried, but I may have missed something.

For example I use my cell carriers app which does a good job of notifying me of spam calls. My texts go into known and unknown hence my point about being ambivalent. For me that is all I need.

Everyone wants what they want.

 

[Analog Kid]

For example I use my cell carriers app which does a good job of notifying me of spam calls. My texts go into known and unknown hence my point about being ambivalent. For me that is all I need.

Everyone wants what they want.

Now if only my carrier would stop texting me...

 

[Vref]

But this is not bad, it is just that you don't like it. A PIREP is generaly used for facts: tops/bottoms, icing, wind shear, etc. PIREPS are not used to say i did not enjoy the coffee at an FBO.

It’s not bad…just no one likes it

Doesn’t that make it bad?

 

[Vref]

It's probably not in the privacy settings because your location is probably not sent off device.



It's a bit humorous that you're so concerned about privacy but don't understand what a VPN does... A VPN launders your source IP address so a destination server can't identify you. ImAPornSite.ru won't be able to know your IP address. It does nothing to prevent your local device from knowing where it is or what towers it's connected to, or what SSIDs are visible, or anything else that can allow your device to determine your location without ever needing to expose your location to Apple.

When you get on a plane and fly to a new time zone, and get off the plane and look at your phone does the time update to the correct time zone? Does your VPN prevent that? Do you think those towers that your phone is talking to don't know where they are and thus where you are?



Cleverly hidden in the battery settings under "battery health and charging".



300M smart phones * 12Whrs per phone battery * 365 charges per year = 1314GWhrs annually in the US.

That's the annual capacity of a decent number of coal powered plants.

Is it our biggest energy consumer? No. Will all the kids on the local playground start losing their teeth if you turn this off on your phone? No. Would it be nice for the people living around those plants if we collectively bring them online as little as possible? Absolutely.



I'm not sure what the weight of a battery has to do with your argument here. Yeah, heavier batteries generate more emissions than smaller batteries, but you have to be driving a very heavy EV to generate more emissions than even the most efficient gas cars:

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I know exactly what my VPN does and doesn’t do

It also makes packet sniffing harder, and it makes it show my ISP/cell phone company only sees a connection to a server, not connections to websites, my email, banks, chats, etc ISPs and cell companies have proven not to exactly be protective of their users info

 

[Vref]

for example your Carrier, not to mention all the spam calls and texts constantly change their methods to avoid detection like everything else so IMO it should be more on the carrier being able to filter this stuff than Apple

Except most carriers are about as tech savy as Indian tech support

I mean what do the carriers care, as long as they all suck about the same where’s the benifit of being better, leave them for another carrier, it’ll be about the same level of IDGAF attitude

Apple at least gets tech and a decent amount of the time wants to put a product forward their customers will like, and they sure as heck charge for it

And the green nonsense, please, they don’t even make it easy to swap a battery, they could but they choose not to, but I’m sposed to think they care about the environment 😂

 

[Vlad Soare]

For example I use my cell carriers app which does a good job of notifying me of spam calls. My texts go into known and unknown hence my point about being ambivalent.

That's something specific to your carrier, which depends on your carrier's good will. You can't seriously argue that Apple's lack of some very basic anti-spam features is perfectly OK just because a particular carrier from a particular country just happens to fill the void for its own customers.
My carrier has absolutely no intention of helping with any kind of filtering. I've asked them. Their answer was, 'no can do'. So, what am I supposed to do now? Move to Android? Maybe I will, but that can't be considered a proper solution, can it?

For me that is all I need.

Good for you. You're among the lucky ones. But a $1000+ phone shouldn't rely on luck for such basic functionalities.

 

[OneBar]

I linked and quoted my source pretty clearly.

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Ah yes, a random scatter plot with no source information and it only measures CO2. Because that's the only emission or the worst one.

 

[Analog Kid]

Ah yes, a random scatter plot with no source information

No point trying to help if you refuse to read...

 

[I7guy]

That's something specific to your carrier, which depends on your carrier's good will. You can't seriously argue that Apple's lack of some very basic anti-spam features is perfectly OK just because a particular carrier from a particular country just happens to fill the void for its own customers.
My carrier has absolutely no intention of helping with any kind of filtering. I've asked them. Their answer was, 'no can do'. So, what am I supposed to do now? Move to Android? Maybe I will, but that can't be considered a proper solution, can it?

I'm saying I don't care if Apple has these features or not. For me they are not high on my priority. My impression is that these types of things can be supported by third party applications.

Good for you. You're among the lucky ones. But a $1000+ phone shouldn't rely on luck for such basic functionalities.

Apple (or any other company) will never have 100% of what its customer base wants.

 

[Vlad Soare]

My impression is that these types of things can be supported by third party applications.

Sadly, they can't. Because the OS doesn't allow them to.

Apple (or any other company) will never have 100% of what its customer base wants.

Of course they won't. That would be impossible. But ignoring basic functionalities while going out of your way to implement stupid gimmicks is bound to cause some frustration.
That's like the town council planting daffodils and installing Christmas lights in parks, while the district heating system is broken since 2007 and there are no plans for its repair in the foreseeable future. And then you come and say, 'I don't care, I've got my own boiler at home, I can make my own heat'. Yeah, good for you, but that's little consolation to those who aren't that fortunate. Daffodils and Christmas lights should come only after you've got the basics covered.

 

[I7guy]

Sadly, they can't. Because the OS doesn't allow them to.


Of course they won't. That would be impossible. But ignoring basic functionalities while going out of your way to implement stupid gimmicks is bound to cause some frustration.
That's like the town council planting daffodils and installing Christmas lights in parks, while the district heating system is broken since 2007 and there are no plans for its repair in the foreseeable future. And then you come and say, 'I don't care, I've got my own boiler at home, I can make my own heat'. Yeah, good for you, but that's little consolation to those who aren't that fortunate. Daffodils and Christmas lights should come only after you've got the basics covered.

We have a difference in what we mean by “basic functionalities”. I think those “basic functionalities” are supported by the iPhone spam detection and block callers.

More advanced functionalities as you describe should be supported by the cell carrier and phone independent.

But dont fall into the trap in thinking the same person is working “on stupid gimmicks” and that’s why the features you want aren’t getting implemented. My guess is a complete implementation of what you want apple may not be interested in or get some help with the cell companies.

 

[Vlad Soare]

But dont fall into the trap in thinking the same person is working “on stupid gimmicks” and that’s why the features you want aren’t getting implemented. My guess is a complete implementation of what you want apple may not be interested in

Oh, I don't doubt for a second that Apple has no intention whatsoever of implementing any anti-spam features besides the uselessly primitive ones that it already has. I'm sure it's not a matter of lack of resources, but rather a complete lack of interest. This is fairly obvious. But this does nothing to alleviate my frustration. Quite the contrary, it makes me despise these gimmicks even more than I otherwise would.

 

[chown33]

Sadly, they can't. Because the OS doesn't allow them to.

According to this Apple Support page, an iPhone running iOS 13 or later can filter phone calls from unknown callers, or install apps that block spam:

Detect and block spam phone calls - Apple Support

You can use Silence Unknown Callers or a third-party app to block spam calls on your iPhone.

support.apple.com

I don't have an iPhone, so I can't confirm this, nor search the iPhone App Store for spam blocking apps.