Unlikely. RAM bandwidth just won’t be there. Maybe a heavily quantized model.
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Unlikely. RAM bandwidth just won’t be there. Maybe a heavily quantized model.
In 2-3 years, I'm guessing that a computer using a chip in the class of a M6 Pro should be able to run it. The software side is moving really fast and small (7B) models are approaching GPT3.5 in output quality.
2-3 more years of software and hardware optimization should get us to GPT4 level locally for a M Pro class of devices. I'm betting that all chip makers are completely focused on improving the NPU/GPU for the next 2-3 generations of chips.
QC now have to start worrying about M4.
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dont worry, we will get a new chart from them comparing with the M4, maybe they will invent some numbers for the upcoming M5QC now have to start worrying about M4.
Apple Debuts Next-Generation M4 Chip
Apple today unveiled the M4 chip, its newest system on a chip for the 2024 iPad Pro lineup. Apple said that the M4 chip features a new...
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I'm sure we'll expect all of the usual folks (especially the ones on YouTube) saying that Tim Cook is entirely responsible for this, that Apple is doomed, the X Elite is going to better than the M4, M5 and M6 combined, and that all of our Apple Silicon machines are now instantly junk, so we all have to toss them in the bin right now and get Surface Pro X's instead.
First M4 Geekbench results!!! Single core did improve as well compared to M3.
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So much to "all CPU design talent has left Apple for Qualcomm" 
It's not a wrong metric. Apple has finally opened up their matrix coprocessor to user software and GB6 can take advantage of that. It does push the score higher, but even if you remove that subtest you still have 10-20% better scores on average than M3 in the majority of subtests.
The software obviously needs to support the extensions. Presence of specific functionality (like SME) can be detected at runtime, at which point the software can invoke an optimized routine.
Note: I am unsure how this is actually done in practice. On Apple platforms, one can use sysctl family of functions. I imagine that there is also a CPU control register that allows one to check for a feature, but I was unable to figure this out with a cursory search.
Maybe FEAT_SME?
Previous SoCs don't have it.
arm-cpusysregs/docs/apple-m1-features.md at main · lelegard/arm-cpusysregs
Access Arm64 CPU system registers. Contribute to lelegard/arm-cpusysregs development by creating an account on GitHub.
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It is quite timely that the latest version of Geekbench has introduced support for Arm Scalable Matrix Extensions (SME) instructions.
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That's the one.
Right? It is quite interesting, especially given the fact that no other ARM architecture (including ARM's upcoming Neoverse server cores) support SME.
For those interested in an ARM-based PC laptops, Windows Report has posted photos of new Dell laptops.
windowsreport.com
Exclusive Images: This is Dell's upcoming lineup with Elite X & Intel Ultra CPUs
Dell is officially testing the Qualcomm waters by equipping its upcoming devices with Elite X processors, and we have exclusive images of them.
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It looks like a bunch of interesting internal Dell documents have been leaked.
Unfortunately, there is no information on the expected performance of Qualcomm's SoC.
This slide is all kinds of hilarious - the target customer is such corporate speak. I'm sure Apple has similar internal target customer descriptions that would be equal parts hilarious and horrifying to read. It's just funny to see it in black and white - what they think of us, you know beyond dollar signs.
Also, target market position as compared to the ... checks notes ... M2 Air and M1 Pro. Oh dear ... a little delayed getting out to market were we?
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Chips and Cheess has attempted to describe the Oryon core through LLVM patches.
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Code:
list<Predicate> UnsupportedFeatures = !listconcat(SVEUnsupported.F,
SMEUnsupported.F,
MTEUnsupported.F,
PAUnsupported.F,
[HasPAuth, HasCSSC]);llvm-project/llvm/lib/Target/AArch64/AArch64SchedOryon.td at 8aebe46d7fdd15f02a9716718f53b03056ef0d19 · llvm/llvm-project
The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - llvm/llvm-project
github.com
Code:
ARMCPUTestParams<AArch64::ExtensionBitset>(
"oryon-1", "armv8.6-a", "crypto-neon-fp-armv8",
(AArch64::ExtensionBitset(
{AArch64::AEK_CRC, AArch64::AEK_FP, AArch64::AEK_PAUTH,
AArch64::AEK_FCMA, AArch64::AEK_JSCVT, AArch64::AEK_SIMD,
AArch64::AEK_RAS, AArch64::AEK_LSE, AArch64::AEK_RDM,
AArch64::AEK_RCPC, AArch64::AEK_DOTPROD, AArch64::AEK_SM4,
AArch64::AEK_SHA3, AArch64::AEK_BF16, AArch64::AEK_SHA2,
AArch64::AEK_AES, AArch64::AEK_I8MM, AArch64::AEK_RAND,
AArch64::AEK_PROFILE, AArch64::AEK_CRYPTO})),
"8.6-A")),llvm-project/llvm/unittests/TargetParser/TargetParserTest.cpp at 8aebe46d7fdd15f02a9716718f53b03056ef0d19 · llvm/llvm-project
The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - llvm/llvm-project
github.com
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Merged SME support back in 2022
and 2023
relatively limited footprint benchmarks like GB , SPEC , etc get run is processor design simulations.
Arm is not openly talking about Neoverse v4 but that doesn't mean it isn't being worked on. Neoverse v3 has SVE2. Kind of makes sense to roll that out first since it is a precursor SME.
Chips and Cheess has attempted to describe the Oryon core through LLVM patches.
Code:list<Predicate> UnsupportedFeatures = !listconcat(SVEUnsupported.F, SMEUnsupported.F, MTEUnsupported.F, PAUnsupported.F, [HasPAuth, HasCSSC]);llvm-project/llvm/lib/Target/AArch64/AArch64SchedOryon.td at 8aebe46d7fdd15f02a9716718f53b03056ef0d19 · llvm/llvm-project
The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - llvm/llvm-project
Code:ARMCPUTestParams<AArch64::ExtensionBitset>( "oryon-1", "armv8.6-a", "crypto-neon-fp-armv8", (AArch64::ExtensionBitset( {AArch64::AEK_CRC, AArch64::AEK_FP, AArch64::AEK_PAUTH, AArch64::AEK_FCMA, AArch64::AEK_JSCVT, AArch64::AEK_SIMD, AArch64::AEK_RAS, AArch64::AEK_LSE, AArch64::AEK_RDM, AArch64::AEK_RCPC, AArch64::AEK_DOTPROD, AArch64::AEK_SM4, AArch64::AEK_SHA3, AArch64::AEK_BF16, AArch64::AEK_SHA2, AArch64::AEK_AES, AArch64::AEK_I8MM, AArch64::AEK_RAND, AArch64::AEK_PROFILE, AArch64::AEK_CRYPTO})), "8.6-A")),llvm-project/llvm/unittests/TargetParser/TargetParserTest.cpp at 8aebe46d7fdd15f02a9716718f53b03056ef0d19 · llvm/llvm-project
The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - llvm/llvm-project
SME is Arm v9 ... Given Qualcomm/Nuvia and Arm have been suing each other over that last couple of years how likely are Qualcomm going to be up to date on licensing?
That they are v8 is a surprise?
Nuvia was somewhat aiming at Neoverse v1/n1 maybe v2. BF16 would be a bigger deal back in the v1/n1 era.
Microsoft will be making a presentation on Windows on Arm this week.
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Introducing the Next Generation of Windows on Arm
The Windows on Arm platform is bringing industry leading performance and experiences to applications. Learn about the exciting new experiences for Arm-powered Windows this year, such as intelligent Windows apps that leverage rich capabilities of the NPU. Get the inside scoop on what Microsoft...
Microsoft will be making a presentation on Windows on Arm this week.
Introducing the Next Generation of Windows on Arm
The Windows on Arm platform is bringing industry leading performance and experiences to applications. Learn about the exciting new experiences for Arm-powered Windows this year, such as intelligent Windows apps that leverage rich capabilities of the NPU. Get the inside scoop on what Microsoft...
Pretty good chance that is more so "more complete dev tools parity with x86-64" than something unique to Windows on Arm. ( both speakers do 'dev tool product' work so probably will talk mostly about what they do for their 'day job'. )
Time Travel Debugging - Overview - Windows drivers
This section describes time travel debugging.
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Microsoft has their own NPU access abstraction to use that makes it easier to port to a variety of NPUs; not just Qualcomm's.
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This slide is all kinds of hilarious - the target customer is such corporate speak.
'Marketing' and 'Sales' are not the same thing. Marketing more so should be about finding the mapping of customer needs to the products the company does or does not provide. So it isn't 'corporate speak'. It is the job of marketing to find the target markets. Don't have to be a large corporation to have a need to do marketing.
Dell has nine laptop product lines. ( XPS , Lattitue , Inspiron , Alienware , G Series , Precision , Lattitute Rugged , Dell Edu , Chromebooks Enterprise. ) .
An equally large increase over what Apple does for the number of desktop product lines.
XPS plus with non-physical function keys really isn't aimed as much at 'business users ' as it might have been 5-8 years ago.
That said, the more telling number there is the 241K Unit projection over 18 months. I doubt Apple would even 'green light' a laptop with that low a number. Apple is going to herd more customers into smaller number of categories to get better economies of scale. Dell gets some scale by just outsourcing some of their laptop options (and substantively get shared costs by sharing lots of design costs over mulitple vendors with reused design components and more 'badging' on the outer case over shared internals. ) .
Dell is perhaps a little misguided if they think Apple has the same labels they do. Pretty likely though they actually think they are coming at the "MBA and MBP " larger bucket with more than just one product. All of those other products aren't on this one slide.
There are user surveys when submit warranty/registration info. It doesn't necessarily have to be a "think you are" as opposed to something for more data driven, but simplified into a 'one liner'.
[ None of these 'target markets' are 100% perfectally segmented. Some business folks will buy XPS and some socail media folks will buy something outside the XPS category . Highly doubtful neither Dell or Apple or anyone else with a decent marketing dept thinks they have 100% homogenous filling of categories. ]
Leaked slides are often not the latest breifing material. People to want to protect their sources tend to sit on stuff for a signifant amount of time before relessing when the there will be much less interest in trying to trace back the source of the leak. There is nothing here about Core Ultra Meotor lake either.
Current page for the Dell doesn't even have a "Raptor Lake" ( 13000 series) XPS 13 on it .
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/scc/scr/laptops/xps/appref=37868
There is a XPS 15 and a more stale 1200 XPS , but the 1300 series is gone.
These are pretty likely some Q1-Q3 2023 era slides that are just now making it out into the 'public'. It is relatively immaterial there is no M3 on there.
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Acer, Lenovo, Dell and HP have introduced their ARM-based notebooks.
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