Resolved Solved: Which 24” or 27” monitor to use with soon 14‑inch MacBook Pro - Space Black, Apple M3 Max chip

[Apple fanboy]

How many nits is your Eizo display capable of?

Depends which one. A CG3146 would be one you should look at.
I don’t actually own an Eizo. I’ve just been selling professional colour accurate monitors for 16 years.

 

[r.harris1]

How many nits is your Eizo display capable of?

Do you feel nits is an important barometer for a photography monitor? If so, your XDR wins, as my Eizo is 500 max. I can't think of many situations where I'd personally want to work at 500 (I typically do 120 cd/m2) but I suppose it depends on your use case. Maybe HDR stuff I suppose?

 

[mtbdudex]

This monitor is my home personal hobbyist monitor:
Traditional Photography
Basic website stuff
And

Entertainment- streaming services like Apple +, Netflix, etc . 4k HDR

Plus, I desire to take my astrophotography to the next level;
with 4K HDR Timelapse/ other

 

[BeatCrazy]

Pro Display XDR was worth every penny I paid. Studio Display (which I have right next to the XDR) is certainly nice, but they're not in the same league, especially regarding black levels/uniformity.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Do you feel nits is an important barometer for a photography monitor? If so, your XDR wins, as my Eizo is 500 max. I can't think of many situations where I'd personally want to work at 500 (I typically do 120 cd/m2) but I suppose it depends on your use case. Maybe HDR stuff I suppose?

For photography 80-120 nits is what is required. Anything more (for photography) is pointless.
For gaming or video there are different requirements.

 

[Apple fanboy]

This monitor is my home personal hobbyist monitor:
Traditional Photography
Basic website stuff
And

Entertainment- streaming services like Apple +, Netflix, etc . 4k HDR

Plus, I desire to take my astrophotography to the next level;
with 4K HDR Timelapse/ other

So apart from photography I would say it’s fine for your user case.
Personally I’d spend my money elsewhere.
Colour accuracy, uniformity and hardware calibration are all important features to me.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Pro Display XDR was worth every penny I paid. Studio Display (which I have right next to the XDR) is certainly nice, but they're not in the same league, especially regarding black levels/uniformity.

The Eizo I mentioned above would blow it out of the water if you are lucky enough to use one.

 

[BeatCrazy]

The Eizo I mentioned above would blow it out of the water if you are lucky enough to use one.

27" 4K monitors, I still see pixels and don't like the scaling. No thanks.

 

[Apple fanboy]

27" 4K monitors, I still see pixels and don't like the scaling. No thanks.

It wasn’t a 27 inch monitor I mentioned. But there you go. Each to there own.

 

[BeatCrazy]

It wasn’t a 27 inch monitor I mentioned. But there you go. Each to there own.

You definitely mentioned a 27" monitor but I didn't realize this was a guessing game.

 

[mtbdudex]

I edited post #1.
Thx all for feedback and the educational and learnings.

rHarris , Apple fanboy, thx.

Edit Dec-27th:
Solved .. there are different solutions based upon the users total needs.

Pure photography and no HDR is a different monitor solution that someone who does both photography and HDR medium stuff.

Me, I’m the latter, caveat a hobbyist I’m not doing this for income, and settled on the $$$ solution.

 

[mtbdudex]

In addition to the above .. the specs of the XDR display truly seem first rate all the way....

And reading on the calibration of the monitor ... seems the jury is out does the tech even need it or not ...

XDR Displays & Calibration

Is there anyone who uses Apple XDR displays as reference for printing? Do you calibrate them? I always used to calibrate my displays, until I purchased my first Apple XDR Pro Display. That was seemed very well factory calibrated, so I gave it a try that way. I set it in a Design & Print mode ...

www.l-camera-forum.com

It's been a few years since I've use this for a computer monitor, I do use it to calibrate my basement JVC NX7 HT projector.

 

[Apple fanboy]

In addition to the above .. the specs of the XDR display truly seem first rate all the way....
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And reading on the calibration of the monitor ... seems the jury is out does the tech even need it or not ...

XDR Displays & Calibration

Is there anyone who uses Apple XDR displays as reference for printing? Do you calibrate them? I always used to calibrate my displays, until I purchased my first Apple XDR Pro Display. That was seemed very well factory calibrated, so I gave it a try that way. I set it in a Design & Print mode ...

www.l-camera-forum.com

It's been a few years since I've use this for a computer monitor, I do use it to calibrate my basement JVC NX7 HT projector.
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All monitors need calibrating as they drift over time. We sell the successor to the X-rite device you posted. You will need to purchase the Calibrite software if you run the latest OS as X-rite are not updating theirs any longer. They still build the devices for us. The latest HL (high luminance) devices would probably be a wise choice for your monitor.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1770372-REG/calibrite_ccdis3plhl_display_plus_hl.html

 

[JimmyG]

Pure photography and no HDR is a different monitor solution that someone who does both photography and HDR medium stuff.

Me, I’m the latter, caveat a hobbyist I’m not doing this for income, and settled on the $$$ solution.

Hi mtbdudex,

You're most-certainly not alone in your quest for an HDR monitor, lots of folks (myself included) looking to embrace working in larger color gamuts and exploring the possibilities of what ≥1,000-nit HDR content creation has to offer.

Unfortunately, the market has been slow to provide desktop solutions to help move things along and here in Apple-land one is currently confined to either working on excrutiatingly-small displays like their "XDR" iPhone Maxs, iPad Pros or Macbook Pros or having to be flush with cash and go the Pro Display XDR route...Tim and company seem loathe bringing to market an XDR iMac. Ha!

The world of ≤150-nit SDR production is a slowly-dying delivery platform and the market for that, er, "format" of content will continue to be marginalized and shrink over time. That's not to say it will disappear, as the need for low-cost deliverables will (practically) mandate its survival for the foreseeable future, it's "just not where the puck is going". As a result, there's a lot of, um, well-meaning advice being posted about that only serves to confuse/confound the conversation for folks looking for ≥1,000-nit HDR desktop solutions.

Hopefully, 2024 will bring more desktop ≥1,000-nit HDR display solutions, or that the world will finally see Apple's long-rumored XDR iMac or rumored ≥28" Apple XDR desktop display based on the MBP XDR panel technology. FWIW, I'm working with P3/BT.2020 HDR video files and HEIC/HEIF HDR still imagery and the PD XDR seems to be the only desktop ≥1,000-nit HDR-grading display solution, so far, that even approaches "affordable" (read: ≤$5K USD).

Congratulations on your purchase decision, please keep us posted on how you're making out with that new Pro XDR display!

Jimmy G

 

[JimmyG]

For photography 80-120 nits is what is required. Anything more (for photography) is pointless.
For gaming or video there are different requirements.

If one's deliverables are for print or antenna TV then 120-nits would suffice, however, the OP is working with (read: capturing, processing and looking to deliver) content that, clearly, requires HDR600-or-greater specs.

 

[mtbdudex]

If one's deliverables are for print or antenna TV then 120-nits would suffice, however, the OP is working with (read: capturing, processing and looking to deliver) content that, clearly, requires HDR600-or-greater specs.

Thx, yes I desire to take my astrophotography to the HDR level.
A few I’ve done via my Canon T1i or 70D.
Excited to use the R5 for this.

 

[Apple fanboy]

If one's deliverables are for print or antenna TV then 120-nits would suffice, however, the OP is working with (read: capturing, processing and looking to deliver) content that, clearly, requires HDR600-or-greater specs.

But as this was posted in the photography sub section my points were valid. I have nothing against Apple displays. I just wouldn’t spend my money on one when there are better options out there for photography. I have no interest in gaming, videography or tv watching on my monitors. That’s not what I bought them for.

 

[r.harris1]

If one's deliverables are for print or antenna TV then 120-nits would suffice, however, the OP is working with (read: capturing, processing and looking to deliver) content that, clearly, requires HDR600-or-greater specs.

It would be nice to see highly color-accurate, calibration-capable HDR1000 reference monitors drop out of the $25k+ price range. It would also be nice to see photography-based HDR content not look like a Thomas Kincaid painting or Trey Ratcliff photographs and I still see too much of that. HDR doesn’t mean “extreme”. Too, it’s skill capturing content that can take advantage of the dynamic range. It will be interesting to see how all of that shakes out.

Printing is a skill, art and method of consumption that’s not going anywhere anytime soon. Smaller market sure, as most people are glued to their tiny screens where almost any content can look OK, but, like the resurgence in film use, there’s a resurgence in the art of printing. People interestingly pay large sums of money for a great print (of a great image) and still seem to prefer prints, even if inexpensive, on their walls.

 

[mtbdudex]

Just thoughts ..
11 years ago I gave up on vinyl, having burned them to digital ..

My 21 year old daughter is part of the vinyl resurgence.. I got her the stuff below for her college graduation gift / apartment gift .

I did get rid of my 400 CD mega changer and the discs

So many of my fellow HT enthusiasts have moved from printed to digital ..

FWIW, I still print occasional big prints for myself.. but I am open to tech and not gimmicky but truly good photo displays, like Micro LED, come 2028 or so .
There, HDR will matter.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Just thoughts ..
11 years ago I gave up on vinyl, having burned them to digital ..

My 21 year old daughter is part of the vinyl resurgence.. I got her the stuff below for her college graduation gift / apartment gift .

I did get rid of my 400 CD mega changer and the discs

So many of my fellow HT enthusiasts have moved from printed to digital ..

FWIW, I still print occasional big prints for myself.. but I am open to tech and not gimmicky but truly good photo displays, like Micro LED, come 2028 or so .
There, HDR will matter.

I read that vinyl sales are at their highest since the 90’s just today.
Personally I would class CD’s as digital music. But yes we are 100% streaming or downloaded (Apple music naturally).
I’ve not owned any vinyl records since the 80’s. I’m quite happy with digital music thanks.

 

[mtbdudex]

Btw, we just landed in Bozeman MT, 6 days here, snow skiing 4 days with my family and other 2 sightseeing / snowmobiling / other .

Saw lovely local artwork printed on various mediums.
Getting luggage saw a non HDR TV display at the Yellowstone store.
It’s ok but lacking the depth of more modern OLED/other.

Of course they have traditional print stuff

Well guess my photos will be outdoors theme in the respective threads .
Peace.