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burgman

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Nope. You simply cannot trust them
yup!

this is why the fear mongering about Tiktok specifically makes no sense. literally any company that operates in China, including Apple, Meta and others do the same
Plus your local mall, large stores large buildings etc. the new methods of fingerprinting Bluetooth and WiFi to track you everywhere hasn’t a thing to do with China, is just one example. Is the narrative home grown Hoovers of info are more trusted than another country? It’s the price of admission we all agreed to when the first connected tech products ran tingles down our legs. That genie is out of the bottle. Thanks for the laugh.
 

HorstBockman

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this is why the fear mongering about Tiktok specifically makes no sense. literally any company that operates in China, including Apple, Meta and others do the same
What Apple and others do in China is of far less concern to me than what any of them does in my homeland (the U.S.). TikTok is focused on because of its widest reach of all and consequent knowledge about the U.S. populace as well as its tentacles/control into so many devices and control over what people see.
 

bluecoast

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If Tik Tok has millions of names, emails, ability to know what their users in the west look like from their profile pics and/or facial recognition training etc

Things that could be used in identify theft, cyber attacks, mass fraud, mass false information posting etc etc

What are the chances that the CCP wouldn’t be interested in obtaining this data?
 
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robd003

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TikTok is just gathering dirt on people while they're young. Wait 10 - 15 years and you'll see this being actively exploited by Chinese spies once these same people are in positions of power / sensitive work places.

We really should do all that we can to overthrow the Chinese Communist Party and replace it with something that respects human dignity.
 

upandown

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Apr 10, 2017
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TikTok once again claims they are working on safeguards and US privacy measures. It’s all complete bs and lip service, and anyone who believes it is extremely naive. It’s like saying China will become a democracy, never going to happen.
 
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Unregistered 4U

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What are the chances that the CCP wouldn’t be interested in obtaining this data?
What are the chances that TikTok is the most valuable asset to China, for finding out information about Americans? Just in the last few years alone, the data obtained from compromised companies and organizations is likely worth more than what can be gleaned from a bot-laden vanity show.
 
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Unregistered 4U

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Late breaking news, the Chinese government is also keenly aware of YouTube and watch American videos ALL THE TIMES!
 

Funny Apple Man

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TikTok once again claims they are working on safeguards and US privacy measures. It’s all complete bs and lip service, and anyone who believes it is extremely naive. It’s like saying China will become a democracy, never going to happen.
China will continue to be an authoritarian hellhole until they complete the transition to communism, which will not happen for quite a long time.
 

sudo-sandwich

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Hey, have they started using HTTPS yet for all client-server connections instead of just unencrypted HTTP?
 

SBlue1

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So what, US apps can still access my data from Europe. Don't use it if you want want it.
 

bwillwall

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Following this line of thought you’d have to remove all apps. You think US government doesn’t do the same thing? You must be naive.
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If you saw the way China really is you would stop defending them blindly and saying "what-about America" on everything. China is a truly horrible place run by one of the most brutal regimes. Crime gets covered up and people don't get to hear about what happens in their own cities, but instead they are played propaganda about how dangerous and horrible the west is on loop. The CCP is probably the most evil entity at scale that exists in this world and letting them own not only manufacturing, but now the data of all our youth and populations, yeah it's reasonable that it's controversial and it should not be allowed at all. Honestly a regime that's basically North Korea is spying on EVERYTHING we do, and their leak proved it. American companies aren't like Chinese companies, they have rights, they're allowed to exist on their own within the law. The CCP owns everything and everyone in China.
 

bwillwall

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I believe many understood what I meant. However, as to this forum, I don’t consider MacRumors to be social media.
The issue is most people don't care that you don't like social media or that you consider it a trap. It's just so cliche and it's not as profound as you think. I'm a social media user and I'm not trapped or addicted if that's what you mean. It's just another tool that has great potential to be used for extreme good or bad. If digital devices aren't for us to socialize or share content with each other, because of the risks, then maybe we should ban public spaces as well because this is just kinda how people work. Come to think of it some basically did try to ban socializing in 2020, but the more extreme instances of that are other examples of mass paranoia.
 

ponzicoinbro

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Who decides what's legal or illegal?

Up until a week ago is was legal in every state to have an abortion.

Laws are supposed to be decided on the greater harm vs greater good rule.

If it is more harmful to drive 100 mph than 50 mph on a two lane highway then that becomes illegal.

We continue to form laws like this.

The problem occurs when religion and cults interferes because that is when fantasy and irrationality interfere with the decision making process.

That’s why lawmakers religious states are unable to understand the downsides of their decisions.

Because religions and cults often embrace greater harm than greater good.

Thousands of years of their murders, wars, oppression, thieving and lying proves they should never be involved with lawmaking.

Even in recent times when politicians have made terrible decisions, religion played a role.
 

Apple Fan 2008

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Laws are supposed to be decided on the greater harm vs greater good rule.

If it is more harmful to drive 100 mph than 50 mph on a two lane highway then that becomes illegal.

We continue to form laws like this.

The problem occurs when religion and cults interferes because that is when fantasy and irrationality interfere with the decision making process.

That’s why lawmakers religious states are unable to understand the downsides of their decisions.

Because religions and cults often embrace greater harm than greater good.

Thousands of years of their murders, wars, oppression, thieving and lying proves they should never be involved with lawmaking.

Even in recent times when politicians have made terrible decisions, religion played a role.
So religious people can’t vote their opinion
 

ponzicoinbro

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So religious people can’t vote their opinion

Stay out of our lives.

You know.

Church and state and all that.

But they never learn.

Keep interfering.

So we just have to do it the hard way.

Until they will find out.

Like this religious fascist guy.

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