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No mention of the new Mac Pro at WWDC 2022 at all. I didn't even see one in the CPU lab.

There were leaked model numbers back in Feb-March when the Studio number leaked out. These M2's systems were probably scheduled years ago to launch earlier. If they are sliding, then the Mac Pro is likely sliding on schedule also. If real volume Mac Pro product isn't for more than 6 months there is no reason to "sneak peak" it now. The "sneak peak" has probably slide a quarter or two also.



They did mention the Pro Display XDR though (used during iPhone webcam demo), which I think is a hint they aren't going to discontinue it.

Or the chassis dimensions are the same so can just snap that same Belkin iPhone holder to the next generation case. :) They mentioned those holders were coming for several other older Macs too ( i.e., M1 MBA/MBP ) and some of those just get superseded.

[ with constrained mini-LED flow ... Apple probably is in no hurry to get rid of XDR ]


Doing the iPhone "snap on" demo with the Studio Display only would have proved extremely embarrassing for Apple given that built-in camera on the Studio display should already do this well (and doesn't). There is only two Apple label display that they can do the demo with. The "embarrassing one" or the XDR. They picked the XDR. I wouldn't 'read' a ton of messaging into it because pragmatically it was the only option they had (unless want to advertise some other vendor's display).


Maybe it's a 2023 product? I think a lot of people were hopeful they wouldn't let it go years without an update like the 6,1.

An early 2023 product in the 2 years of worldwide Covid supply and R&D hiccups really is not that bad. Pretty good chance even back in 2017-2018 they were planning to ship the Mac Pro in November-December 2022 anyway. So if it slides into Feb-April is that really a big deal ?

The Mac Pro likely won't get every M-series generation SoC. There are probably going be "years" gaps because the baseline system upgrades even after the transition.



A slightly hopeful sign for eventual Mac with at least some standard width slots. A new card that works with macOS on Apple Silicon (mean time works with expansion TB boxes for M1 and M2 systems ).

 
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No mention of the new Mac Pro at WWDC 2022 at all. I didn't even see one in the CPU lab. They did mention the Pro Display XDR though (used during iPhone webcam demo), which I think is a hint they aren't going to discontinue it. Maybe it's a 2023 product? I think a lot of people were hopeful they wouldn't let it go years without an update like the 6,1.

There's what Apple wants to do and what they can do, these days. Given that only the base MBP and MBA got the M2 and they aren't coming for another month, I expect the Mac mini and iMac will get the M2 towards the end of the year (obviously doing it Sept/Oct would be best for them, but I expect real shipping dates for people will slip pretty quickly) and we get a possible sneak peek at the Mac Pro at the end of the year or it's just WWDC 2023 reveal. The other thing is they might just do another "Apple pro creatives roundtable"-type thing and do a lower-key release. Not like they would hold it back for months just for the bigger splash of a really niche product.

The XDR with a better miniLED setup and ProMotion would be a pretty substantial upgrade. It would make sense they would upgrade it at the same time.
 

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Apple used the term "Mac Pro 2019 and later" on the macOS Ventura page, giving a hope of upcoming new Mac Pro within a year.

MacOS 14 isn't coming until Sept-October 2023. There are 8 months of 2023 where the Mac Pro could arrive and still get macOS 13 ( Ventura). That is more months than are left in 2022.

Apple now doing their bulk runs of A16 and no also line up bulk runs of M2 in about the same time period. Pretty decent change Mac Pro will get push out of the way of those. If 2022 then probalby barely at the edge (like the last couple of times.)
 

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MacOS 14 isn't coming until Sept-October 2023. There are 8 months of 2023 where the Mac Pro could arrive and still get macOS 13 ( Ventura). That is more months than are left in 2022.

Apple now doing their bulk runs of A16 and no also line up bulk runs of M2 in about the same time period. Pretty decent change Mac Pro will get push out of the way of those. If 2022 then probalby barely at the edge (like the last couple of times.)
Pro users will be pissed off if the next Mac Pros are released as late as right after WWDC 2023.
 

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... I expect the Mac mini and iMac will get the M2 towards the end of the year (obviously doing it Sept/Oct would be best for them, but I expect real shipping dates for people will slip pretty quickly) and we get a possible sneak peek at the Mac Pro at the end of the year or it's just WWDC 2023 reveal.

Apple is hoping folks forget but there is also a Intel Mini lingering on the store in active sale. Apple did a pretty decent purge on the macOS 13 (Ventura) coverage for Intel macs. Pretty good chance they'd like to see that Intel mini gone before end of Summer.

But they could throw a M1 Pro in the current case and just be done with it in late July or August. Bigger hold up on the Mini is probably some new "even thinner" case they want to create ( which would mean new contractor tooling and what not). The M2 MBP 13" is suggestive they aren't past just using what they got (basically same container with an minor update motherboard. )


The other thing is they might just do another "Apple pro creatives roundtable"-type thing and do a lower-key release.

That is doubtful because they have already said "Mac Pro later" this year. At much as folks try to claim that the roundtable released lots of info about new Mac Pro; it really didn't. Mainly that they were going to work on it. And some very, very broad outlines of performance. Apple has already said they are working on one. So that part is done. Unlikely they just repeat that again with little details. When Apple did their "were working on it" communications in April 2017 and 2018 then did not repeat themselves later in those respective years.


The next move would be when they had something to "show" and that wouldn't be just a "roundtable".

If the Mac Pro is the very last Intel Mac to get superseded then it is quite likely that it would be in some dog-and-pony show. Apple is probably going to want to take a 'victory lap'




Not like they would hold it back for months just for the bigger splash of a really niche product.

They don't have to hold it back if there victory lap is done at some larger event as a sneak peak and they announce some solid dates to order later that is 1-3 months out. (would not need a "day of" launch party. )


The XDR with a better miniLED setup and ProMotion would be a pretty substantial upgrade. It would make sense they would upgrade it at the same time.

Holding the Mac Pro for this doesn't make sense. Apple needs to get the old Mac Pro off the active list so can start the shutdown cycle on the Intel support. If there is a logistic miniLED problem then that is different product line issue.

Apple is probably selling a decent number of XDRs to Studio and MBP 14/16" folks. Even the new M2's drive it better. new XDR probably should work with the existing MP 2019 systems (maybe not with Promotion added. I suspect Promotion will be applied to a smaller screen. ). Why make all those folks wait if it was ready to go and a new Mac Pro was stuck ?

They don't need the new Mac Pro to sell these. And vice versa.
 

deconstruct60

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Pro users will be pissed off if the next Mac Pros are released as late as right after WWDC 2023.

Released not in 2022 in no way shape or form means the date "has to" slide to WWDC 2023. Mac Pro does not need to be announced/released connected to WWDC at all. If Apple released the new Mac Pro in October 2024 folks would be made also. But is that even a relevant date?

Apple gave themselves an "about two years" deadline. So they have motivation to 'wrap up' the transition as close to after the end of 2022 as they can if there is any slide into 2023. There is extremely little indication that Apple was every trying to put a hard deadline on WWDC 2022 at all. The Mac Pro was probably not never suppose to ship on WWDC 2022 anyway. M2 was going to be more the 'star' of the show.


Apple also really doesn't want to sell more Intel systems after 2022. So again they are highly motivated. But as many resources that Apple has , they don't control everything. They don't even directly make anything. There is a complicated logistics chain to getting a new Mac Pro out the door and sometimes "stuff happens" to cause delays.


Not all of the historical Mac Pro users are going to be completely happy with this system regardless of the date. An iGPU in the system. ... not happy hyper modular folks. Pretty good chance Apple is going to get "real pro" , vocal haters on whatever they release regardless.
 

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Released not in 2022 in no way shape or form means the date "has to" slide to WWDC 2023. Mac Pro does not need to be announced/released connected to WWDC at all. If Apple released the new Mac Pro in October 2024 folks would be made also. But is that even a relevant date?

Apple gave themselves an "about two years" deadline. So they have motivation to 'wrap up' the transition as close to after the end of 2022 as they can if there is any slide into 2023. There is extremely little indication that Apple was every trying to put a hard deadline on WWDC 2022 at all. The Mac Pro was probably not never suppose to ship on WWDC 2022 anyway. M2 was going to be more the 'star' of the show.


Apple also really doesn't want to sell more Intel systems after 2022. So again they are highly motivated. But as many resources that Apple has , they don't control everything. They don't even directly make anything. There is a complicated logistics chain to getting a new Mac Pro out the door and sometimes "stuff happens" to cause delays.


Not all of the historical Mac Pro users are going to be completely happy with this system regardless of the date. An iGPU in the system. ... not happy hyper modular folks. Pretty good chance Apple is going to get "real pro" , vocal haters on whatever they release regardless.
Apple possibly hinted there would be new Mac Pros supported by macOS Ventura so it has indicated that they would not be that late.
 

kvic

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Apple used the term "Mac Pro 2019 and later" on the macOS Ventura page, giving a hope of upcoming new Mac Pro within a year.

I spot that too.

It's worth pointing out though before digressing further. This thread seems to mean Intel MacPro8,1. By now it seems to me an Intel refresh is pretty much hopeless. However, some of us did get it right Mac Pro 2019 won't be (and hasn't been) replaced as fast as people had anticipated two years ago. It seems it'll hang on as-is for a couple of years.

Back on next Mac Pro. Seems very likely Apple Silicon Mac Pro will be announced towards the end of 2022, and starts shipping in first half of 2023. This gives Apple comfortably enough time to swap the priority of M2 SoC's a bit and sort out issue in M2-based Mac Pro SoC.

The timeline also lines up with rumour of a possible new and pro version of Apple Studio Display later this year. New AS Mac Pro paired with new Pro Studio Display sounds like a typical & reasonable playbook from Apple.

The XDR with a better miniLED setup and ProMotion would be a pretty substantial upgrade. It would make sense they would upgrade it at the same time.

Unless Apple keeps it super secret, seems no such display panel on the horizon for this year.

On the other day, I heard rumour of possible specs of the Pro Studio Display:
  • 27 inch; 5120x2880
  • 60Hz; no ProMotion
  • 2000+ mini-LED zones (!!); 1000 nits in HDR
  • perhaps truly 10-bit panel
EDIT:

Corrected what Apple said about Ventura in relation to iMac Pro.
Quoted the context about new display.
 
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I spot that too. lol. There is also "iMac Pro 2017 and later". And this in Monterey's slide, it specifically said "iMac Pro" without "year" or "and later". If reading Apple Leaves means something, and if following the same logic, then there will be a New iMac Pro before macOS 14 release..
You remember it wrong. On the webpage of macOS Ventura, it is simply iMac Pro 2017 and nothing else.
 

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the Mac Pro will be presented in the fall event, the last event of 2022 after the iphone/apple watch/airpods event
THe Mac Pro will be presented with the M2 ipad pro
The good thing is that the Mac pro will be based on the M2 and not M1
So LPPDR5 (or LPPDR5x if they have access to supply) and not LPDDR4x, now instead by multiply by 16gb of ram from the M1 we will multiply 24gb of Ram from M2
 

deconstruct60

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Apple possibly hinted there would be new Mac Pros supported by macOS Ventura so it has indicated that they would not be that late.

I think you are reading too much into that. Apple is trying to prove hope for a new Mac Pro. Stop. They are probably not trying to put some definitive time boundaries on that at all. Just trying to convey the notion that they are working on one, but not promising dates.

Same thing happened in April 2017 and 2018 . Apple said they were working on a Mac Pro. Several folks jumped on these forums saying well it has to ship by WWDC 2017 then because how could it not ship fast. Didn't happen. In 2018 Apple announced "not in 2018". Again by time 2018 starts lots of pronouncement that is gotta be WWDC 2018 or bust. Didn't happen.

Apple's hints have primarily been "yeah, we are working on it." , not about specific time frames for shipping. It is against general company policy to put dates on stuff far in advance.

Ventura's shipping lifecycle is more than a year. It doesn't really nail it down to "within a year". It is about as loosey goosey as "will talk about Mac Pro later". (again not date lock in. )


P.S. another example from 2019

Mac Pro specs page shortly after "sneak peek" of MP 2019 at WWDC 2019 in June.

"...

macOS

macOS is the operating system that powers everything you do on a Mac. macOS Mojave brings new features inspired by its most powerful users but designed for everyone. So you can get more out of every click.

Learn more about macOS Mojave

..."


That caused lots of hype in this Mac Pro forum about how Apple was going to ship "soon" because Catalina was coming in Fall so how to go early. Or that Apple was going to ship with backdated version in the Fall because blah blah blah. When it really about the date is "sloppy" to the documentation folks so they put in something "hopeful" as a placeholder until the official info comes.


By December the specs page for the same web link read

"...

macOS

macOS is the operating system that powers every Mac. macOS Catalina gives you more of everything you love about Mac. So you can take everything you do above and beyond.

Learn more about macOS Catalina

..."

https://web.archive.org/web/20191211030013/https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/


And Mojave never shipped with the MP 2019. The "& later" is just a placeholder; not a timepiece.
 

fuchsdh

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That is doubtful because they have already said "Mac Pro later" this year. At much as folks try to claim that the roundtable released lots of info about new Mac Pro; it really didn't. Mainly that they were going to work on it. And some very, very broad outlines of performance. Apple has already said they are working on one. So that part is done. Unlikely they just repeat that again with little details. When Apple did their "were working on it" communications in April 2017 and 2018 then did not repeat themselves later in those respective years.
They've released MacBook Pros via press release and creative briefing before, no reason they wouldn't do it again.
 

kvic

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the Mac Pro will be presented in the fall event, the last event of 2022 after the iphone/apple watch/airpods event
THe Mac Pro will be presented with the M2 ipad pro
The good thing is that the Mac pro will be based on the M2 and not M1
So LPPDR5 (or LPPDR5x if they have access to supply) and not LPDDR4x, now instead by multiply by 16gb of ram from the M1 we will multiply 24gb of Ram from M2

Indeed there will be multiple opportunities for launching AS Mac Pro in the fall 2022 if Apple is ready to do so. IMO, they'll announce it in the fall (together with a new Pro Studio Display), and ship it in 23H1.

Mac Pro SoC based on M2 (or newer) is a pretty sure thing by now. M1 regardless how great (or not) is done.

I believe max memory capacity limited to 24GB is a design decision for the lowest spec M2 SoC. Nevertheless, it's a healthy raise from M1's 16GB. This is little indication to M2 Pro or other higher end M2 SoCs.

I believe M2 Pro, M2 Max and M2 Ultra will have the same max memory capacity to M1 counterparts. This assumes vendors won't be able to produce higher capacity memory chips in the coming year. Memory bandwidth wise, will also keep the same 200MB/s, 400MB/s, and 800MB/s unless Apple decides an upgrade higher end SoCs to LPDDR5X.

It's possible that LPDDR5X will only be used for Mac Pro SoCs 'cos the rest of SoCs seems to have little need for higher bandwidth. Hence, Apple saves the best for Mac Pro and possibly charge an even higher premium for its exclusiveness.

Mac Pro SoC is supposed to be based on 4X M2 Max. Support max 256GB "unified memory". Rumour says it might have DDR5 DIMMs as yet another level of storage for memory-bound applications.
 
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deconstruct60

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The good thing is that the Mac pro will be based on the M2 and not M1
So LPPDR5 (or LPPDR5x if they have access to supply) and not LPDDR4x, now instead by multiply by 16gb of ram from the M1 we will multiply 24gb of Ram from M2

Eh? The M1 Pro , Max, and Ultra all have LPDDR5 already. Did not need "M2" designation to get to LPDDR5.

" ... . The M1 Pro has 256-bit LPDDR5-6400 SDRAM memory, and the M1 Max has 512-bit LPDDR5-6400 memory. ... "

That was part of how the Pro/Max/Ultra cranked their Memory bandwidth numbers up so much higher than the M1. They had already made the switch. The M2 is just playing "keeping up with the Jones's" there.

Is there a "5X" ability built into the memory controller already? Maybe. More likely it is just the capacity increase that economies of scale that the MBA and MBP 13" provide that will bring the costs down so that Apple can roll it out over the Pro , Max , Ultra. 8 * 24GB is still 192 for ultra and perhaps 384GB for a quad . Still haven't gotten to the quad digit capacity if the MP 2019. To maintain their margins Apple is likely going to be constrained to only pick one: "clock bump" (5X) or "capacity". Pretty good chance they'll pick capacity because even with it they are still backsliding from the Intel version.

Cost and availability is same reason why the M1 rolled out with LPDDR4 when already likely had LPDDR5 rolled into the silicon. The M1 treats the LPDDR4 memory like it was structured as LPDDR5.
 

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does apple need DIMMs for say an HIGH SPEED SWAP / TEMP RAM DISK?

As an absolute , hard requirement 'need'? No.

Apple does have a narrow subset of the Mac Pro user base who are clients that defacto create large RAM disks ( load in a large digital A/V library once and then avoid the storage drive for that library access for the rest of the session. ). But *DDR* RAM as a foundation for a real, old school , solid state drive is relatively very expensive. Many folks manage to get productive work done without one.

diskutil can create a RAMdisk. If that was extended so that a straight DMA copy from a default disk image was loaded into the is secondary RAM at the end of boot phase, then the accesses after it was loaded would all be fast. Or could load with not much data and use as a scratch drive that was always around after boot ( no wear issues with a RAM disk so if want to throw 2TB/day of write data at them per day , that is a great fit) . Faster than any Flash based SSD but also lots more expensive. Since Apple controller the SoC they could put a SSD controller in "front" of this RAM pool and present to the rest of the system as a super fast SSD that has a fixed use. No wear patterning to worry about or long term pressent metadata so it could be a pretty small controller



Swap also could be relatively transparently weaved into the compressed memory system.


So when needed a place to send compressed memory to to free up space could drop a decent amount of it off to a now primary RAM disk swap drive and then onto an Flash SSD if space ran out (dropping the wear load on the Flash SSD has big upsides for a projected very long system service life). May need to encrypt that to meet Apple's security standards going forward. [ some data is memory mapped in from a file and that should just go back to the file if an inactive and needs to be swapped out. If doing more aggressive memory compression and shuffling then a higher number of E cores should come in handy. They soak up most of the overhead. ]

But for folks who have an active working set of data that is 400-600GB large that is being actively touched by 100 CPU/GPU/NPU cores at the same time, those solutions aren't gong to work well. Similar to someone running 4-5 80GB VM images on the same machine. So it won't make everybody happy. However, Apple would leave a incrementally less number of users behind .


What is common is that have customers who want higher disk I/O and making them happy with faster disk I/O in some contexts. Where those match up it is 'win'.


Apple probably has better numbers but there is likely some threshold 256, 384 , 512 GB of RAM where they hit the 95% threshold of user active workloads. If they can get to that with soldered on RAM then they may not just bother with that last 5% of a group that is already relatively very small. 5% of 1% is approximately zero. It won't make much sense to spend substantive (expensive) additional design work for an approximately zero market share.


There is the "I want to buy RAM cheaper crowd". If they are relatively cost sensitive now then probably still going to be cost sensitive in the future. Even though RAM DIMMs in 4-5 years will probably drop in costs that SSD RAM disk is still going to substantially more expensive that a Flash SSD. More than 3-5 years out, will still be that other drive that they drift towards ? Decent chance yes.

Similar for the faster "swap drive" which initially don't use but then in the future want to pay relatively high top dollar for (versus future Flash SSD ).

As long as Apple is putting a relatively high floor on the entry level for the embedded SoC RAM most of the cost sensitive folks are going to balk at that intial buy in. They want a almost "bare-bones" box with the minimal RAM DIMMs present that Apple will allow. The Swap/RAMDisk really don't directly address that issue much at all.

Most of the time the argument is that their RAM working set footprint is going to quadruple unexpectedly in 3-4 years and the system has to adapt. ( going to jump from the 55 percentile up to the 85 percentile in workload footprint class). Apple raising the 'floor' of the minimal SoC RAM tends to weed a substantial number of those folks out. So if the min is 72GB or 144GB for a new Mac Pro most users are going to buy with decent amount of headroom to grow into.



P.S. The other useful path could be for GPU textures that only the GPU is going to touch. If there is Disk-to-GPU memory API then if the data is never going to be shared with the Unified memory pool processor cohorts then might as well put it into something private that DMA by-passes the main system cache. Textures tend to be read-only so primarily just a huge read only cache from the drive. If the GPU is decompressing the textures that also would be a decent page them back out to incase needed to grab them once again. Like the "load RAMDisk at boot" if there is a list of texture resources and an asynchronous DMA engine could be loading a prospective long term 'hot list' of textures in while not clogging up the main memory system for shared/unified workload. (presuming file system isn't doing large bulk load of something else. )

That one may not be as transparent to the SoC cores . But is illustrative that it may not be all about keeping CPU cores happy. There are several sets of cores sitting on the Unified memory pool. Each could use private pools of memory for a subset of workloads. Pull those out and you get more common shared memory to use on mainstream workloads.
 

kvic

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does apple need DIMMs for say an HIGH SPEED SWAP / TEMP RAM DISK?

HIGH SPEED is quite vague. LATENCY and BANDWIDTH are more precise and meaningful for discussion.

I would think Apple won't expect people with, say, 1TB RAM to use it for RAM DISK. If AS Mac Pro indeed comes with DIMMs, Apple should have come up with a better and cleverer use than SWAP.

Perhaps an interesting question to ask the audience with large memory: what are their legitimate use of the memory in their applications.
 

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I don't know if I qualify to be one with large memory or not, but here you go:

Pointclouds, related photo stiches, 3D collision detection, 3D CPU rendering, 3D viewports on browser engines etc.
They can easily eat up my 128 GB on my cMP.

With no ongoing renderings, and a modest number of 3D apps in use (2 pcs), I still seem to have little bit of headroom in there. Which is nice.
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FIle Cache = 11,63 GB
Program use = 85,85 GB

If I launch more programs, I'll eat it all eventually. And no, I am not willing to waste time closing programs and files, and then re-opening them then suddenly needed again. It takes too much time. I preferably need them open, between sleeps, and through the working days and weeks.

My uptimes count as months normally. Sometimes in hundreds of days even. I believe my office iMac (2017, 64GB) is at over 200 days now, and counting.

Now I am only at 29 days with my cMP. I was having slowdowns, possibly due to low memory causing swaps, and decided to do a clean fresh boot. I think it was after over 100 days of uptime.

This is for main work. I understand there is no such need of uptimes and memory for a travel laptop or something like that. But for serious work, some amounts of RAM is good for me.
 

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Pro users will be pissed off if the next Mac Pros are released as late as right after WWDC 2023.
IMO any pro user who is concerned about delays with updates / new Mac Pro have no room to complain. With the release of the 6,1 Mac Pro Apple has demonstrated they cannot be relied on to update it. It's almost a miracle Apple released the 7,1 Mac Pro.
 

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I don't know if I qualify to be one with large memory or not, but here you go:

Pointclouds, related photo stiches, 3D collision detection, 3D CPU rendering, 3D viewports on browser engines etc.
They can easily eat up my 128 GB on my cMP.

With no ongoing renderings, and a modest number of 3D apps in use (2 pcs), I still seem to have little bit of headroom in there. Which is nice.
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FIle Cache = 11,63 GB
Program use = 85,85 GB

If I launch more programs, I'll eat it all eventually. And no, I am not willing to waste time closing programs and files, and then re-opening them then suddenly needed again. It takes too much time. I preferably need them open, between sleeps, and through the working days and weeks.

My uptimes count as months normally. Sometimes in hundreds of days even. I believe my office iMac (2017, 64GB) is at over 200 days now, and counting.

Now I am only at 29 days with my cMP. I was having slowdowns, possibly due to low memory causing swaps, and decided to do a clean fresh boot. I think it was after over 100 days of uptime.

This is for main work. I understand there is no such need of uptimes and memory for a travel laptop or something like that. But for serious work, some amounts of RAM is good for me.

We're not touching on an ABSOLUTE necessity, IMO, for larger ram usage. We need ECC. With data over 128GB, it is an almost virtual certainty you will get at least one flipped bit a day, statistically. That is NOT ok for systems that operate 24/7 on long processing tasks. And while adding dimms that are ECC should be relatively easy, I worry about the chipped based ram. Will they release a special silicon chip system with ECC on board?

If not, I could see wanting to MINIMIZE the SOC ram, and push all my ram use out to the DIMMs with ECC for that reason alone.
 

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IMO any pro user who is concerned about delays with updates / new Mac Pro have no room to complain. With the release of the 6,1 Mac Pro Apple has demonstrated they cannot be relied on to update it. It's almost a miracle Apple released the 7,1 Mac Pro.

I got my 7,1 in December of 2019 and was really on edge if I should wait. Apple silicon was not the issue then, but it being soon replaced with PCIe4/5 was in my mind.

But I decided to play the factor/odds of how much they suck at releasing the Mac Pro, and it turned out to be a win for 2 reasons. This may be the last intel based Mac Pro, and if you have virtualization and boot camp needs, that is meaningful. And, I REALLY needed a modern Mac Pro that could run the latest OS, and still drive 8k+ screens etc, and the 5,1 was too much work to get that to happen (for me). So it will be a solid 3'ish years of use I get out of it, which has already more than paid for itself.

That said, apple seems aggressively more evil than normal with outdating their equipment. That they are not allowing the 2016 MBP to run the latest macOS Ventura (when a much weaker MacBook Air and MacBook will still run it), not allowing iPhone 7 to run when weaker iPads still get to run iOS 16, and with the 5,1 being retired too early (people are running the latest OS on it JUST FINE), I fear a lot of people are going to feel and be mega screwed with what happens to the 7,1.

I hope I'm wrong.
 
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kvic

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I would think it's really not a good time to buy Mac Pro 2019 (or any Intel Mac new or used) now. Seemingly being nice for two years, Apple could become very aggressive in cutting x86-64 support as they have indicated in Ventura. MacOS 13 may well be the last or second last x86-64 MacOS release.

Not that I think Apple will abruptly cut any support. A possible scenario could be them extending security updates of the last x86-64 MacOS release beyond the usual two years. Such a move could mitigate anger among existing owners of relatively new Intel Mac. Unlike PowerPC to Intel transition, most Intel Mac's are still capable and useful machines.
 
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