I don’t expect the battery to improve much next year. The current camera system is probably all they can do in the current size chassis so they have to increase it slightly for the next camera upgrade. They would probably have to make the phones larger and thicker to get any meaningful battery upgrades.
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iPhone 15 Pro What happened to 3nm efficiency?
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Next years devices are rumoured to be 6.3” and 6.9” so they will be getting bigger
not that I want a larger phone lol.
That's only because of the move from intel to apple silicon. Apple silicon has been historically moving up at like 20% a year for the last decade I think if you look at the A line of cpus.
3nm provides some limited capabilities for enhancement. The actual design would dictate how that enhancement would be utilized. It could be increased performance, new/additional capabilities, reduced power consumption, reduced size, etc.. It is design trade which and how significant the enhancements to be provided. It is a limited resource, you CANNOT enhance everything.
The designers can also choose to incorporate additional enhancements, but at the cost of sacrificing some additional features of the chip. It’s like trying to squeezing a balloon just to have it pops out someplace else. If you improve one thing, then some thing else is going to get worse. This is often a worthwhile trade, especially if the degradation can be offset in another part of the design. For example, the designer might sacrifice power efficiency of the chip if it is known that they’ll be able to use a larger battery in the device.
Most of this complaining that the A17pro does xxx is just a reflection of unrealistic expectations for 3 nm capabilities, without considerations of the practicality of the design process. If you’re really unhappy about XXX then you should be willing to put forward what additional features provided in the A17 Pro would’ve you rather have seen not included. For example, if you REALLY feel that power consumption should have been reduced then you should also include that you would settle for no increase in the number of GPUs, no increase to RAM and RT should not have been added. [Personally, I think that’s a terrible trade for to each his own.]
The designers can also choose to incorporate additional enhancements, but at the cost of sacrificing some additional features of the chip. It’s like trying to squeezing a balloon just to have it pops out someplace else. If you improve one thing, then some thing else is going to get worse. This is often a worthwhile trade, especially if the degradation can be offset in another part of the design. For example, the designer might sacrifice power efficiency of the chip if it is known that they’ll be able to use a larger battery in the device.
Most of this complaining that the A17pro does xxx is just a reflection of unrealistic expectations for 3 nm capabilities, without considerations of the practicality of the design process. If you’re really unhappy about XXX then you should be willing to put forward what additional features provided in the A17 Pro would’ve you rather have seen not included. For example, if you REALLY feel that power consumption should have been reduced then you should also include that you would settle for no increase in the number of GPUs, no increase to RAM and RT should not have been added. [Personally, I think that’s a terrible trade for to each his own.]
I think I would have taken:
- more battery life
- same igpu performance because who cares
- modest cpu perf ok (+10%)
- more RAM
Got most of it but I would have traded in those gpu cores for more battery life, or more cpu perf. More RAM here is probably better than more cpu performance. I've seen a lot of issues with older iPhones in particular running only 2gb of ram.
I honestly don't know what people were expecting. Every time Apple is rumored to have a new chip people start coming up with wild expectations for what it's going to do. The realty is that year over year there are only going to be marginal improvements from the previous year.
And that improvement was limited to the Intel computers. In the iPads who already had Apple's own chips the M1 was a marginal improvement over the previous years iPad.
If you choose 10% performance, you can’t have more battery life. Those GPU transistors aren’t lit unless gaming so it has no effect on battery life or CPU.
Kind of depends on how much you get out of the die shrink. In this case seems like it was just one or the other.
I don’t expect they give you a bigger camera sensor in next two years since it is closed to 1 inch already and Apple would not buy very expensive 1 inch sensor from Sony. 3nm all for AAA gaming since that is $49.99 per game it is all about $$$
My 15 PM get slightly better battery performance than my 14 PM. My 15 PM only got the slightest bit warm when I put the two together to transfer data. All went perfectly, the process even paired my Ultra 2 to the 15 PM at the same time.
I do not understand how some iPhone 15 units get so hot when others do not.
I do not understand how some iPhone 15 units get so hot when others do not.
This is funny to me. The 15PM is totally fine and the battery is on par or even slightly better than my 14PM.
Regarding speed they are fast enough to 99% of users.
Regarding speed they are fast enough to 99% of users.
Even iPhone 12 is fast enough for 99% users. If they want to add some powerful chipset they should think about better. It's still phone guys. Maybe you can explain 1 or 2h sot battery because it is Pro phone. No it is not. You want to play games..buy Xbox or PS. Camera? Pro use regular cameras.
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After a few iOS updates and a few months of usage I have to say that the 15 Pro Max has settled into being an amazing battery miser. I charge to 80% limit and end the day at around 40-50%. If I charged to 100% I could easily go two full days without touching the charger. And this is WITH always on display enabled.
So yeah, there were some initial issues but they've been worked out. Very happy with my 15PM and I hope others are having the same experience.
So yeah, there were some initial issues but they've been worked out. Very happy with my 15PM and I hope others are having the same experience.
Agreed, 15 Pro Max battery life has really got better and better, on 17.2.1 it is truly stunning how long this thing can last, easily doing over 8.5hours SOT on mine on some days if I use it enough.
The Camera can be a bit of a battery guzzler if you are doing a lot of high frame rate (60fps) video recording for example.