Thanks for being a jerk. I was correcting people saying it IS 64-bit. That is saying it is NOW 64-bit which it IS not. You are correct in saying the question is "will it be?" The correct answer to the question, which I also answered correctly, "Apple states it WILL BE 64-bit." I just added extra information to my response. Have a nice day.
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Will OS X 10.8 be x64 only?
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Thanks for being a jerk. I was correcting people saying it IS 64-bit. That is saying it is NOW 64-bit which it IS not. You are correct in saying the question is "will it be?" The correct answer to the question, which I also answered correctly, "Apple states it WILL BE 64-bit." I just added extra information to my response. Have a nice day.
Apple will have to do some big updates prior to this release. Logic Pro 9 natively runs in 32-bit and 64-bit must be manually enabled. Also iWork is only 32-bit. Will we see updates to these prior to the ML release? I really doubt it.
I don' think you can say that one way or another - anyway, I still think you can launch 32 bit apps in a 64 bit operating system - the biggest limitation you will run into is memory allocation.
They might patch Logic to make it always 64 bit - that's not to tough. iWork is already due for an upgrade anyway so there't that. Still about 6 months.
Mine (late '08 MacBook Alu with 2.0 GHz) is supported, according to the sites that released ML System Requirements. Apparently it's more about the graphics adapter.
Has nothing to do with EFI. My old UB Macbook from 2008, which can run Mountain Lion, had a 32 bit EFI.
Is it in the supported list? i believe some machines which are not in the supported list can still install ML, it could still be like the first DP of Lion which didn't have 64bit binaries so it could run on Core Duo and Solo machines, they could still remove the 32bit kernel on the next DP.
It's what i understood from wikipedia
The fact that my iMac can also boot 32bit if available i would guess it's because it has both extensions to UEFI and not just the 64bit one.
Doesn't that say that apple 64bit kernel is part 32bit? it says it starts in 32bit mode and then moves itself to 64bit mode, so what wiki says may still be true.
But in the end the issue still remains, unless apple does something those machines with 32bit UEFI will not boot a 64bit kernel without using chameleon and with no drivers, which is seemingly where ML is headed with no 32bit fallback at all.
Well, Apple has listed the computers that will work in ML, if any of those has 32bit EFI's, if you take Apple's word for it, they will find a way to make them work.
I said it was. It is. The late-2008 Unibody MacBook 13", with the nVidia 9400 chipset. It's in the supported list. It has 32 bit EFI.
The problem is a lack of 64 bit kext's for Intel graphics and ATI's X1600. It's not EFI.
ML will not boot on a mac with EFI32 unless you hack it.
All core2 CPUs are EMT64, what you would call 64bit.
All core2 CPUs are EMT64, what you would call 64bit.
Ohh, that's why the old Intel graphics aren't supported anymore. I knew there was a good reason.
You said it can run ML not that it was on the supported list, i was just making sure you didn't hack ML to be able to run it.
And besides that one has a 64bit EFI, it is (was perhaps) restricted to 32bit kernel by other means, not the EFI, i had one, i know i made it boot into 64bit kernel as well without using another boot loader.
With Lion or ML does it say if it's in 64bit kernel?
But a lot of the Logic plugins are still running 32 bit. Both iWork and Logic are both due for an update. It seem Apple has almost given up on iWork. It should have been updated before iCloud came out.
Sorry, I thought that someone in this thread discussing EFI related topics would have actually looked at the supported list before commenting and so I didn't spell it out specifically. Noticed I never claimed to have "hacked" it either.
Man... this is going to break the ability to use a Logitech Harmony remote with OS X. The drivers are STILL 32-bit only... as it is now, I have to force 32-bit kernel in Lion just to change my remote settings. Blah!
I gave it a look and found all those left out had 32 bit efis, didn't memorize the list. and i wanted to make sure we were talking about the same thing.
Your machine has a 64bit EFI, when SL came out it wasn't allowed to boot the 64bit kernel which is entirely different than being able to.
Can you look and see if it's running a 64bit kernel in Lion or Mountain Lion?
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I have to keep an XP VirtualMachine around to be able to connect to a clients VPN, it's an old cisco pix, the Lion setup doesn't work with it, it never authenticates or something, the latest client i've found doesn't work in 64bit kernel
What's the oldest system that will be supported on ML? My late 2007 MBP 3,1 initially came with a 32bit EFI, but in light of this discussion I checked in Terminal and it now runs 64bit EFI, so it wouldn't surprise me if with Lion, or earlier, Apple updated the EFIs for all machines capable. Are there any models/machines older than mine that will support ML? Perhaps the iMac 7,1? Maybe someone can check what EFI that runs since likely anything newer is already on 64bit EFI, so the discussion could be useless.
What size is the pro? If it is the 13 sorry only 2009 and beyond. 15 and 17 is good though. 2007 is the oldest.
15! Looks like I'll get one more update and then have to ask myself if I'm happy with where the upgrade path ends or if it is time to get a new MB (hopefully a Retina one by then).
Only Apple knows for sure, with the current list its seems to be efi based, in the end... who knows
remember, we cannot extrapolate anything. The only info we have is based on the DP which isnt set in stone, Even if that is set in stone we have no idea what Apples future hardware and software developments are at all. We have no way to know at all.