iPad Pro 2024 iPad Pro - Low Res :(((

[erkanasu]

I’m blown away the PPI is unchanged in the new m4 model. I had been assuming it would finally be same quality as iPhone or the iPad mini. For me it’s a deal breaker. What do you guys think?

 

[MF878]

This is just specs for the sake of specs, 2752x2064 is not a “low” resolution for a 13” display. If Apple were to move it to 3x scaling like the iPhones, it would be 4128x3096 which is 50% more pixels than a typical 4K display. The power consumption, GPU strain and production cost isn’t worth it for the diminishing returns it would provide at a normal viewing distance.

 

[erkanasu]

This is just specs for the sake of specs, 2752x2064 is not a “low” resolution for a 13” display. If Apple were to move it to 3x scaling like the iPhones, it would be 4128x3096 which is 50% more pixels than a typical 4K display. The power consumption, GPU strain and production cost isn’t worth it for the diminishing returns it would provide at a normal viewing distance.

Eventually it will happen, can’t deny that, I was just assuming 2024 was finally it.

 

[MF878]

Eventually it will happen, can’t deny that, I was just assuming 2024 was finally it

It definitely wasn’t going to happen at the same time as Tandem OLED, these displays are already significantly more expensive than the last ones. I think we’re unlikely to see it until 8K is the new 4K.

 

[masotime]

I’m blown away the PPI is unchanged in the new m4 model. I had been assuming it would finally be same quality as iPhone or the iPad mini. For me it’s a deal breaker. What do you guys think?

If your goal is high PPI you should just buy a Vision Pro… the PPI on that thing is ridiculous (although it has to be) - 3386 PPI is 😱

 

[erkanasu]

It definitely wasn’t going to happen at the same time as Tandem OLED, these displays are already significantly more expensive than the last ones. I think we’re unlikely to see it until 8K is the new 4K.

Good points personally I can see the pixels while reading in bed, looks like I’ll be taking a 3-4 year iPad cleanse.

 

[JPack]

Who's holding their 11-inch iPad as close as their iPhone?

I wouldn't expect it to happen at all. Reminds me of the marketing on 4K smartphones a few years back.

 

[klasma]

I’m blown away the PPI is unchanged in the new m4 model. I had been assuming it would finally be same quality as iPhone or the iPad mini. For me it’s a deal breaker. What do you guys think?

The issue is that panel yield drops quadratically with increasing PPI (because the number of pixels increases quadratically, and thus the likelihood of pixels being defective). The higher the display resolution (total pixel count), the more of a problem this becomes, and the cost therefore increases quadratically.

The other issue, of course, is GPU power, which also would need to increase quadratically with PPI.

 

[marmiteturkey]

Apples definition of retina is ‘can’t distinguish individual pixels at normal usable distance’ and so by definition there’s no gain to going above it.
Higher res screens unlikely to come anytime soon.

 

[erkanasu]

Apples definition of retina is ‘can’t distinguish individual pixels at normal usable distance’ and so by definition there’s no gain to going above it.
Higher res screens unlikely to come anytime soon.

I just said in my other post I can see the pixels when using in bed, lots of people do that,
also, current ones are at 264,

Mini has been at 326 for some time....

disagree brother

Logical resolution	Pixel density
iPad 10.2″ (2021)	1080 × 810	264 PPI
iPad Mini 6 (2021)	1133 × 744	326 PPI
iPad Pro 12.9″ (2021)	1366 × 1024	264 PPI
iPad Pro 11″ (2021)	1194 × 834	264 PPI

 

[ric22]

I just said in my other post I can see the pixels when using in bed, lots of people do that,
also, current ones are at 264,

Mini has been at 326 for some time....

disagree brother

Logical resolution	Pixel density
iPad 10.2″ (2021)	1080 × 810	264 PPI
iPad Mini 6 (2021)	1133 × 744	326 PPI
iPad Pro 12.9″ (2021)	1366 × 1024	264 PPI
iPad Pro 11″ (2021)	1194 × 834	264 PPI

I also suspected that they might match the iPad Mini's PPI this time, but I guess they couldn't while reducing the thickness so drastically.

It's been the default iPad resolution for 12 years and counting, in which time iPhones have gone well beyond their original 'retina' designation.

 

[erkanasu]

I also suspected that they might match the iPad Mini's PPI this time, but I guess they couldn't while reducing the thickness so drastically.

It's been the default iPad resolution for 12 years and counting, in which time iPhones have gone well beyond their original 'retina' designation.

12years! im surprised im the only one complaining here haha

 

[mysticbluebmw]

I use my iPad in bed all the time and can’t see the pixels. I‘m near sighted, so I have the thing like 6-8” away from my face, too 😅 I’m fine with it, it‘s all a game of balances. Higher resolution means lower performance, and less battery time. I’m not sure how much more expensive that would make the tandem OLED panels, either. But I see your point if you’re seeing pixels.

 

[the future]

I just said in my other post I can see the pixels when using in bed,

Doesn‘t mean it‘s the case for the typical user.

lots of people do that,

I doubt that. Source?

 

[MrGunny94]

The res is fine, you should check the resolution on the current 13/14" laptops in the Windows world...

 

[ric22]

Can see individual pixels vs could appear sharper 🤷🏼‍♂️ Not sure about seeing pixels but didn't Samsung claim that higher PPI's did give many people an impression of improved clarity?

 

[DaveOP]

I just said in my other post I can see the pixels when using in bed, lots of people do that,
also, current ones are at 264,

Mini has been at 326 for some time....

disagree brother

Logical resolution	Pixel density
iPad 10.2″ (2021)	1080 × 810	264 PPI
iPad Mini 6 (2021)	1133 × 744	326 PPI
iPad Pro 12.9″ (2021)	1366 × 1024	264 PPI
iPad Pro 11″ (2021)	1194 × 834	264 PPI

PPI isnt everything though. The Pro Display XDR is 218 PPI but you definitely cant see the pixels there at a normal viewing distance. Maybe you use the 13" iPad at the same viewing distance as the mini, but I definitely hold my mini closer like a phone rather than at a comfortable distance on the pro similar to a laptop.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

This is literally the first complaint I have ever seen with resolution in an iPad since the retina displays first got rolled out. I have a feeling the OP may be waiting a while.

 

[Macalway]

So the 3 frowns means this makes you incredibly sad?

Isn't one frown enough? (too much really). Best would be zero frown face. : )))))

 

[JPack]

I just said in my other post I can see the pixels when using in bed, lots of people do that,
also, current ones are at 264,

Mini has been at 326 for some time....

disagree brother

Logical resolution	Pixel density
iPad 10.2″ (2021)	1080 × 810	264 PPI
iPad Mini 6 (2021)	1133 × 744	326 PPI
iPad Pro 12.9″ (2021)	1366 × 1024	264 PPI
iPad Pro 11″ (2021)	1194 × 834	264 PPI

Mini is 8-inches, similar to 6- and 7-inch iPhone. The other iPads have double digit sized displays. Do you see the correlation?

 

[erkanasu]

The more I think about it, I’m guessing their team debated resolution versus thinness and, weight was the biggest pain point for 12.9 users. Higher res would require thick and larger battery. They made the right choice for most people and I’m yet again an outlier for their consumer base.

 

[ric22]

The more I think about it, I’m guessing their team debated resolution versus thinness and, weight was the biggest pain point for 12.9 users. Higher res would require thick and larger battery. They made the right choice for most people and I’m yet again an outlier for their consumer base.

Weight must have been their focus, I agree. Ditching the ultra wide camera and making it so thin it'll be fragile as **** to bending. The old iPad Pros have littered the internet with stories of bending.

 

[Onimusha370]

The more I think about it, I’m guessing their team debated resolution versus thinness and, weight was the biggest pain point for 12.9 users. Higher res would require thick and larger battery. They made the right choice for most people and I’m yet again an outlier for their consumer base.

I’m on your side I’d have liked a bump to 300+ PPI also

 

[NT1440]

I just said in my other post I can see the pixels when using in bed, lots of people do that,
also, current ones are at 264,

Mini has been at 326 for some time....

disagree brother

Logical resolution	Pixel density
iPad 10.2″ (2021)	1080 × 810	264 PPI
iPad Mini 6 (2021)	1133 × 744	326 PPI
iPad Pro 12.9″ (2021)	1366 × 1024	264 PPI
iPad Pro 11″ (2021)	1194 × 834	264 PPI

It’s higher on the mini because as a smaller device you hold it closer to you and therefore it needs to be to break the “retina” barrier.

I guarantee you your eyesight will degrade from age before Apple ups the PPI (because it doesn’t need it).

 

[klasma]

If your goal is high PPI you should just buy a Vision Pro… the PPI on that thing is ridiculous (although it has to be) - 3386 PPI is 😱

But the panel is also just one square inch, and the PPI needs additional headroom on the AVP due to the 3D transformations (straights lines in the UI don't translate to straight lines on the panels). The effective resolution in terms of sharpness is more comparable to a 1440P monitor.