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App Store to Be 'Split in Two' Ahead of EU iPhone Sideloading Deadline
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You would think competition is great for consumers. Not when competition is at the expense of government regulation.
Sure what’s changed is that copycat apps, scamware apps etc now have a greater chance of slipping through. A race to the bottom.
It’s gone from iOS. But this is whack a mole and it’s moving the goalposts of less consumer choice.
You’re the one moving the needle.
The last 15 years iOS developers have removed their apps from the AppStore to only have it available on the play store.
What is the actual difference to developers being able to use an alternative iOS store? Both scenarios the app is removed from the AppStore and put on a different store?
why don’t you use the same logical reasoning as before?
Nope. This is an anti-consumer move under the guise of breaking apple because - consumers.
Just because you now have to google the name of an app to know where it is (which many already did because the App Store search sucks) doesn't mean this is anti consumer.
You still didn’t answer the question.
between July 10, 2008- march 06, 23:59 2024
Developers could have their app in the AppStore, and decide to pull it and only make it available on alternative store fronts with a higher barrier of access for a consumer
After march 07, 00:01 2024
Developers can have their app in the AppStore, and decide to pull it and only make it available on alternative store fronts with less barriers to access for consumers than before
I hope the EU does something about that, I want to be able to distribute my apps as free IPAs to be able to freely install.
Actually, scratch that - I want to install my own apps on my own phone.
I will just leave this from DMA Article 13 in malicious compliance
3. The gatekeeper shall ensure that the obligations of Articles 5, 6 and 7 are fully and effectively complied with.
4. The gatekeeper shall not engage in any behaviour that undermines effective compliance with the obligations of Articles 5, 6 and 7 regardless of whether that behaviour is of a contractual, commercial or technical nature, or of any other nature, or consists in the use of behavioural techniques or interface design.
7. Where the gatekeeper circumvents or attempts to circumvent any of the obligations in Article 5, 6, or 7 in a manner described in paragraphs 4, 5 and 6 of this Article, the Commission may open proceedings pursuant to Article 20 and adopt an implementing act referred to in Article 8(2) in order to specify the measures that the gatekeeper is to implement.
It's true that AltStore tweeted they're applying as a legit alt store (lol) but the tweet is referring to the idiocy of the Core Platform tax. The same reasoning can be applied to any other store
Yes, it’s less choice for consumers and more to devs and big business devs. Witness epic claiming they are coming back to the iPhone.
That’s exactly what it means. The EU won, they threaded the needle and apple caved, but that doesn’t mean it’s a particularly good piece of legislation. Competition by government regulation almost always isnt.
But how is it less choice?
What’s the difference between the two?
What is the difference for the consumer if a developer pull their app from the AppStore and put their app in:
- the play store
- the alt store
- All of them
Less choice because now consumers will have to go to possibly less secured app stores as well as possibly less secure apps as well as going where the dev goes rather than the iOS App Store. That’s how.
You are quite literally ignoring the question every time
Again how is this different from the developer putting their app on the play store
I, and most people bought their Phone with that same understanding.
I would class them as multi-purpose computers, not general purpose, at least until an iDevice runs MacOS.
I'm a firm believe you cannot achieve the current level of security AND software freedom simultaneously existing on a device.
Government overreach is mine.
The train has left the station, we'll see what happens.
If there are more stores there are more choices, by definition.
The question is straw man designed to move the goalpost.
I disagree in this instance. Government overreach does not create more choice. For a good example look at the breakup of AT&T and the monopoly of airwaves the government has.
In what way is it a strawman?
Is it not objectively true?
You have at multiple instances said: use android instead
why is this a legitimate defense when a developer leaves the AppStore for an alternative that doesn’t run on iOS the previous 15 years?
But it’s not a legitimate defense when a developer leaves the AppStore for an alternative that can run on iOS after the 7th march 2024?
Just in general and as I said elsewhere, what’s done is done. Everybody can now be a Monday morning quarterback.
Good point. I haven't used Android and was going by my experience with the Mac App Store. And apps like Facebook that aren't products have less motivation to reduce their audience by leaving the main App tore, unless they would avoid having to follow the same privacy policies that way, which isn't the case here.
Can't argue that you did. I don't think most people buy their phone with any understanding, really. Gamers may be slightly more aware since game consoles aren't necessities like phones are. Probably not much understanding there either. I suppose everyone agrees via EULA.
I guess my only real point is that while that statement is fair enough, I don't want to ever see that limitation be put on macOS. I think Apple would do it if they could get away with it. So I'm glad to see as much pushback as possible, if only to provide some balance.
Honestly you may be right about that. My concern with Apple is that they do things that just don't have anything to do with security and are simply about restricting other freedoms. I don't want to see them abuse their position, that's all.
Mine as well, and yeah it has. That's why I like to see pushback there too, for what it's worth.
I think it's good for some of these things to go to court so we can finally have some clarity on things that companies have just been doing without really being certain if it's something they should be doing or not, just that they can get away with.
Unfortunately the key players making most of the noise seem to be Tim Sweeney, the EU, and a few clueless grandstanding US senators. I don't trust them to have a productive conversation about this. Too many agendas.
Chuckle.
I am heavily into both environments and became even more concerned about Apple back when they looked to roll out the CSAM tool. I can easily say that security on my S23U/S24U is superior than my 15PM. Sure there are slightly more areas a user can get mired however the user interactions occur predominately via text/email (phishing) than apps. If you are an Android user and are concerned about the chance of a rouge app, stick to OEM and Google stores.