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Apple Pulls WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, and Threads From App Store in China Following Order
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In the U.S. they would first sue, lobby, and go into a media campaign, drag the issue for years before conceding.
I thought you could with a VPN, no? [EDIT] Yes you can, according to teh intarnets. [/EDIT]
Anyhow, I wonder if this affects those with access to the App Store outside of China.
Pretty much impossible since Apple assembles millions of iphones per year over there. This isn't like Google who builds and sells very little hardware. Apple can't just pack up and move all manufacturing to India and Vietnam
Apple produces products in a number of other countries, including India. It is unwise for them to have so many eggs in the China basket. If I were Tim Cook, I would divest ALL manufacturing out of China.
No, we only celebrate what Apple tells is good for us.People celebrating EUs control must be super exited about this too?
Even the Chinese joke about Chinese cars. 😂
Someone else made a good point about how Apple ”vigorously” resists most forms of regulation except when it comes from China. Interesting point.
Far be it from me to say the EU government is the same as the Chinese government. That’s hyperbole.
But if Apple has to abide by governmental actions in one geographical region (EU), they’d have to in all regions, including Mainland China.
But if Apple has to abide by governmental actions in one geographical region (EU), they’d have to in all regions, including Mainland China.
Not all, only a handful of manufacturing lines. And they did so to avoid being taxed an extra “foreign” fee.
Also, early after opening the manufacturing line they experienced a violent protest, and reports of lower quality have surfaced too. India is not on the same level as China when it comes to production, or work ethic.
They can at least start, and it doesn't have to be just those two countries. Rome wasn't built in a day, but the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. ;-)
Cook has been expanding to other countries for years, but it's been a struggle for them. China BY FAR has the best infrastructure plus labour force for this. The only real advantage other countries might have is cheaper labour.
If by “do the right thing” you mean pull out of Mainland China, that would be a worse move than leaving the EU.
They don’t have manufacturing in Europe. Also, there’s four times the amount of people.
The EU's idea is to allow third party app installation. Y'know, like, to install apps that Apple pullsPeople celebrating EUs control must be super exited about this too?
China isn’t the problem. The CCP is. Apple, and all major brands, should just pull out of China and HK completely. More hassle than they’re worth. Apple should pull TikTok, etc and any Tencent owned apps as a ‘mutual’ understanding that if the CCP won’t allow the foreign apps, then, chinese apps don’t need to be allowed, either. No more bending over for them.
Completely different situations and political environments. First, what the EU is doing is supposedly increasing access to apps. In essence, it's increasing freedom but at the cost of Apple's control over the device. I'm not saying I agree with the EU, it's just a different situation. China's actions, in contrast, essentially limits freedom by banning apps.
The politics are also different. The EU is a group of more or less liberal democracies (or similar enough). China is not. Apple protests the EU's actions for multiple reasons including the fact that Apple has the freedom to protest what the EU does. Apple in contrast has basically no freedom to protest what China does. This means Apple fights the battles it has a chance of winning. Going against the Chinese government isn't like David versus Goliath; it's like a rock versus an ocean. At least with the EU there's a fighting chance.
Protesting China's actions, however, is happening. Apple is diversifying its supply chain from China. This makes China lose out on Apple's business. Apple still wants users there, of course; it's not like Apple could just completely pull out of China without causing serious, potentially irreparable, harm to its business. If Apple could survive as a company, make good products and services, and offer shareholders good returns over time without doing any business with China, it's a strong possibility they would pull out. That could not happen in days though. It likely would take decades, just as it's taken decades to increase Apple's presence in China.
Solutions are easy behind a keyboard; real life is much more complex.
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BYD is already in the U.S.
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I was in China for 6 months. Yes, you can use a VPN, however it makes browsing the web extremely slow, and some functionality is hindered. Blocked websites or apps, like Google Maps are very outdated as well, it would show you in an open field when in reality it is a large shopping mall that opened 10 years earlier.
There is also the potential, and this is not my experience, just what others told me, that police could give you a hard time if they found out you are using banned services or apps.
Why are you guys comparing what Apples does with EU vs what they do with China. These are two totally different political systems. One lets you argue a case the other doesn't.
You’d be surprised how similar they are.
One government says you must remove apps that they deem as a threat (China).
One government says you must allow apps, but they can’t be under your control (EU).
I'm surprised y'all keep pretending it's a valid argument
Nationalism, protectionism, extremism, polarisation, welcome back to the 1930s. This doesn't end well folks...
Is interesting that if Apple allowed side-loading, there would be no centralized way to shut down apps that allow citizens privacy in China. Maybe you should consider siding with freedom rather than corporate profits.People celebrating EUs control must be super exited about this too?
CCP wouldn’t allow side-loading. They’d force Apple to geofence it.
Let me guess, if we make a political comment MR will remove it.
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