The freedom to deny others freedom is not freedom.So weird to see people cheering on control freaks and abusers of freedom for going after a company for allegedly the doing same thing.
The freedom to deny others freedom is not freedom.So weird to see people cheering on control freaks and abusers of freedom for going after a company for allegedly the doing same thing.
So does Apple. Likely MS too.I have bad news for you, Google and Meta already know everything about you.
Apple missed every tech innovation within the last 10 years - completely.Sure, I worked for Kodak back in the day. Actually contrary to your assertions apple didn’t miss anything; they are giving their customers what they want. They are never first to the party. Let others sort out the future of tech, apple will get it right.
That's because the security model and architecture of iOS and Android is different.
Foldable phones are still hot garbage and other companies don’t have to produce on the scale that Apple does with the iPhone. The amount of new tech/hardware Google and Samsung etc need to supply to support a year of sales on their flagships would only last Apple a fraction of that time. Apple also requires quality not let’s throw a feature at the phone and see if it works and doesn’t break everything.Which - from one point of view - can be seen as lack of technological innovation. Apple is indeed iteratively improving their products and yes others are still copying Apple. But the copying is more about marketing and design improvements than actual technological innovations lately (except for Apple Silicon and maybe Apple Vision).
For quite some time Apple did not bring anything groundbreaking and innovating comparable to iPod or iPhone.
I'm not saying competitors are bringing completely new products to the table, but they're definitely innovating more than Apple (foldable phones, cameras under the screen and bringing innovating new tech a lot faster than Apple in general).
PWAs are over sold. They aren’t native apps. It’s just a shortcut to a webpage on the home screen. The web is plenty.To TL;DR the situation: Apple is forced to allow alternative web engines (other than Webkit) to run on the iPhone. Progressive Web Apps over the alternative web engines could have close to full access to the hardware (unlike over Webkit) effectively allowing developers to create web apps that almost feel native and break completely free from Apple's control.
This would hurt the EU much more than it would Apple. 10’s of thousands of jobs would be lost and consumers would be outraged. Parallel imports of Apple products would resume, all while Apple wouldn’t have any operating costs.I really want to hear the earnings call after that decision. "As you know, because the European Union decided to exercise their right to regulate commerce, we abandoned that entire market, resulting in a sales and profit drop of about 20% across the board and leading to our lowest overall sales volume since 2013."
Take that, EU!
When they have no clue what they are doing, yes, yes it is weird and stupid.How it's weird group of countries (EU) to dictate rules under which some product may be sold?
Losing PWAs sucks (for me especially) but honestly, this is the tidbit that trips the EU? Not the absolute poster child of malicious compliance that is the changes they introduce with e.g. alternative App Stores?This isn't a must-have feature; will the EU now start dictating phone features? I suspect this is a temporary removal as it most likely requires major rework on Apple's part.
That might be their idea, but it’s not. Customers have different minds. I don’t like the DMA, it’s against me as a customer, specially when “implemented correctly”.They are pro-all consumers. Apple malicious complaince is to blame for being anti-consumer there. The DMA goal and idea is pro all consumers when implemented correctly.
Think again?How it's weird group of countries (EU) to dictate rules under which some product may be sold?
You just confirmed what I said in my comment.
If you find a way to escape sandbox, you really don't need possibility of 3rd party browser core. You can use such exploit via any app in that regard... If you work in the security field you should know that.
If there's such essential hole allowing to escape the sandbox in iOS, it's not DMA regulation nor 3rd party browsers to blame. It's Apple's fault. Nothing to do with allowing 3rd party browsers. Such browsers are essentially just another app. No reason to look at it any different way. Sandbox applies to all apps the same. Browsers are no exceptions.
Apple not allowing sideloading has nothing to do with freedom. It’s a company offering a product that customers might buy or not. It’s absolutely voluntary. They’re not forcing anyone to do the same.The freedom to deny others freedom is not freedom.
How do you mean? They aren't adding side-loading in the March release, nor did the DMA mandate side-loading.I genuinely want to see Apple get absolutely assblasted out of the observable universe by the EU for this as well as their sideloading 'compliance'.
For _any_ measures? Including far-reaching and poorly conceived ones? Measures that will have negative user impact, while not actually serving to make the experience better for consumer or corporate interests, and in fact having ramifications that will disrupt their ability to leverage existing technologies they were already using to try to exist outside those moats?These regulations try to strike a balance between consumer interests and big-tech interests. IMO big tech has become much too powerful, and consumers as well as small companies have almost no leverage against the moats they have built up. This is a cost already being payed by consumers. Therefore I’m for any measures that create a more level playing field and that put users more in control.
So many logical fallacies at the same time. Unless sarcasm is used..Think again?
How can it be that a company (Apple) dictates rules under which certain products may be sold (in their Appstore)?
Well, you may find out that there is no difference. Apple says „play by my rules or get out“ and so does the EU.
Most of the progressive features are chrome only, with several other browsers (with Safari and Firefox being the primary torchbearers) saying that the features are horribly insecure or have far-reaching privacy impacts. Things like Web MIDI, which allows for an 'access' prompt to update the firmware on local hardware. Or Bluetooth access which allows for tracking the user's location. Or USB access which allows for introspecting local hardware.Apple has always held back PWAs and is slow or refuses to adopt standards that make them act more like regular apps. It took until last year with iOS 16.2 for Apple to add the ability for PWAs to send notifications.
I'm sure that people here will say that they did this in the name of security or some other lame excuse, but the fact of the matter is Apple doesn't want PWAs to succeed because it would mean less App Store revenue for them.
Sure, but thats neither here nor there. The DMA didn't attempt to create a level playing field for cellular phone operating systems or for mobile phone manufacturers.Which is no choice at all.
In today's world, owning a cell phone is almost as mandatory as paying taxes. But if Apple and Google agree on something, what the customers need or want is irrelevant. There is no free market - The barriers to new entries are too high. You've got more choice in governments than you do with phones, and the switching costs are comparable.
This does nothing to break up that phone OS duopoly though. An alternative iOS marketplace is still selling iOS apps that only work on Apple's hardware.Apple has been flagrantly abusing their duopoly for years. The consequences are well deserved, even if the details don't meet to everyone's preferences. If Apple had played fair with their customers, we'd all be supporting them now.
No, in such case the damaging broken code would still be in the browser's source code, because the browser is executing the PWA.In this case the damaging code isn't in the browser, so it will pass notarisation.
That's debatable. I don't prefer nor use foldable phones. But people around me use them and they work pretty well. Gone are times where foldable phones were hot garbage where screens messed up after few months.Foldable phones are still hot garbage
You just repeated what I said in my initial post. Apple is iteratively improving existing features and existing technologies. I'm not saying that's wrong. Polished feature is good feature.Apple is innovating by bringing features that actually work and work well because they aren’t treating iPhone users like beta testers for every random thought enters their minds.
All right. Then let's agree to disagree. Just don't speak for all customers. Definitely not all customers have different opinion on this and many if not most prefers freedom of choice.That might be their idea, but it’s not. Customers have different minds. I don’t like the DMA, it’s against me as a customer, specially when “implemented correctly”.
It's your opinion and that's all right.When they have no clue what they are doing, yes, yes it is weird and stupid.
What if they made a rule that said all smartphones must have a battery that can last a week? Would you still argue the EU is doing the right thing? Even though that would mean phones would either have to:
1. Drop most features and capabilities to draw less power
2. Quintuple (or more) the size of their batteries and thus the size of their phones?
No, you’d probably (and rightly) think the EU was nuts.
Well that’s exactly what they are doing now on the software side. They are demanding changes without understanding the consequences and then getting upset about the consequences.
Now imagine they demand a phone that keeps the same features and same size but has week long battery life. That’s impossible. And the EU is moving even more in that direction. So. They’ll be setting rules that are impossible to meet (like demanding all chat platforms interop WHILE maintaining E2E encryption. Or creating backdoors ONLY the “good guys” can use).
The EU is clearly out of their depths here. They don’t know what they are talking about in a fundemental level and are making rules that help no one except maybe the Spotifys and Epic Games (and not the customers of those companies either).
It’s asinine and stupid and the people supporting the EU are demonstrating a similar lack of knowledgeable about technology and software development in how they keep cheering on decisions that will make their lives and devices worse.
You're very wrong here. EU is understanding the consequences - just as Apple do. That's why Apple is complying maliciously.Well that’s exactly what they are doing now on the software side. They are demanding changes without understanding the consequences and then getting upset about the consequences.
Please, stop saying "if". If Apple was open source or non-profit... Uh. let's not deal with the what-ifs. Let's not deal with what "they'll be setting" based on you. You really don't know what EU will be setting or not. So don't fabulate like this, please.Now imagine they demand a phone that keeps the same features and same size but has week long battery life. That’s impossible. And the EU is moving even more in that direction. So. They’ll be setting rules that are impossible to meet (like demanding all chat platforms interop WHILE maintaining E2E encryption. Or creating backdoors ONLY the “good guys” can use).
No, again, you're wrong. And no, it helps to open up iOS more. Which is great. Bringing legit Firefox, Brave and other browsers to the iOS is great for customers. Don't like it? That's fine. Continue using Safari. Browser choice has nothing to do with Spotify or Epic.The EU is clearly out of their depths here. They don’t know what they are talking about in a fundemental level and are making rules that help no one except maybe the Spotifys and Epic Games (and not the customers of those companies either).
It's stupid to assume that. I'm working in the software development segment so I'm pretty knowledgeable in the EU's DMA decision and I really support it. I may easily say - it's asine and stupid not wanting more freedom of choice, people not supporting this are demonstrating huge lack of knowledge about technology and software development.It’s asinine and stupid and the people supporting the EU are demonstrating a similar lack of knowledgeable about technology and software development in how they keep cheering on decisions that will make their lives and devices worse.
No, in such case the damaging broken code would still be in the browser's source code, because the browser is executing the PWA.
Also PWA is just embedded browser running in full screen with few additional features on top of it. Should there be such security hole in the browser itself, it would be relevant in "normal browser mode" too. Not just when using PWA.
That's correct. But all these are just using Apple's API. So it's not like they can access the storage directly or run any process in the background with any privileges.Also PWA's have more capabilities then just the browser. (local storage, background workers and notifications) Otherwise there wouldn't be a need for PWA's.
So, really? The EU controls their marketplace, same is true for Apple.So many logical fallacies at the same time. Unless sarcasm is used..