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Bye, Bye for now Apple, it has been fun!
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That's the 'beauty' of the closed source!
All a company, country, government, political party etc needs is to brainwash people to follow them...and, once they get you, you are in a mental prison, having the Stockholm Syndrome.
So you're saying 99% of browser users are brainwashed because that's around the percentage of people using proprietary software.That's the 'beauty' of the closed source!
All a company, country, government, political party etc needs is to brainwash people to follow them...and, once they get you, you are in a mental prison, having the Stockholm Syndrome.
Open source is not the panacea that many people make it out to be. There road to open source is littered with promising, and inventive applications that simply disappear or whither on the vine untouched. Many open source applications look rather horrible compared to commercial software and being open source is no guarantee of safety. Vulnerabilities have been discovered in many OS products, some of which have been there for many many years.
Not really. It's simply about why Safari won't have such an audience. Same as any Mac apps. Apple loves to have Windows apps (apps written for Windows at the beginning), Linux apps (open source apps written for Linux at the beginning) to run on macOS, iOS and so on, but won't like (or abhor) Mac apps to run-on any other platform.
By the way, read the OP again.
I really don't understand what you are trying to say here. This isn't true at all. Take novel writing apps. Lit-and-Latte with Scrivener decided that the windows market was too lucrative and created a Windows version just fine--even though the original was written in Objective C.
Then you have Ulysses. The creators of Ulysses decided that it isn't worth it to code a Windows version--same with the makers of DEVONThink. Again, though, this has nothing to do with Apple?
Agree with so much of this. In sentiment and detail.
I've taken to resenting so much about Apple even though almost everything we own at our home is made by them.
They represent some of the worst corporate and capitalist practises in humanity while managing to convince the world they're holier than thou. The media is terrified of taking them on. Consumers are blinded by their own desires not realising that tech has become nu-luxury and they've fallen prey to the same pitfalls.
History will not look kindly on Apple or us.
Almost find myself hoping they're unseated by the AI race and tech moves past them. They need a big user drop-off to change for the better and fight for customers again.
When the time comes, my money is ready to move. Been taken for a ride for too long.
Its quite simple. You can install Win11 in 10 year old Computer. MS even tells how, even they cry not recommended. Apple just obsoletes their own products sold at terribly high prices, even called high-end at that time, and they do that deliberately. Can you install Sonoma on a 2017 Macbook Pro just like that straight from Apple? The 2018 MBP was still made and sold in 2019 by Apple, and then discontinued it in 2019. There's no sureness whether Apple will block the next macOS on that MBP. Where's the user friendliness?
Those machines run Intel i7 and i9 and can live a long time, without becoming a paper weight. Good that at least Windows can run on them, but officially Win10. Who knows how long those 'botcamp' drivers live on. Those MBPs are not even Linux-worthy. Sure, OCLP is there, but ...
None of that is even close to what you were talking about with windows and mac specific application compatibility. So I am going to assume you had nothing to add to that conversation and THERE GO THE GOALPOSTS!!!!!!!!!
If you read my earlier posts, you'd realise I didn't change my mind overnight. Apple doesn't allow its software in other platforms, while allowing software from other platforms in Apple devices/OSs. Just imagine if those "Windows" specific apps, Google specific apps etc won't run in MacBooks, iPhones, iPads etc, would they sell this much? Or at all?
There was a time when office didn’t run on Macs. Also there’s a crap ton of applications that are windows only.
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If you read MY earlier posts, I just gave you several examples of programs that are of both types. If Apple isn't allowing Scrivener to run on Windows, then how did it get there?
If you are talking Apple created apps, then that goes both ways. Microsoft doesn't allow it's Music and TV app on Apple. It doesn't allow many of its apps on Apple. So I guess I don't understand your point here?
Also, Google, Netflix, and others to do this on Mac--not creating apps for Macs. So, again, I don't necessarily understand where you are going with this.
It isn't an insignificant amount of effort to create an entirely new codebase to work with another platform. Scrivener is created in Objective C/Swift, for instance. When Keith wanted to create a windows version, he had to hire Windows developers who used an entirely different language and had to create it from the ground up. It took a few years.
Also, I run Apple Music on my Windows gaming laptop. How is that possible?
Today too.
Only 4 apps from the Office suite will run on the Mac. The powerful Access Database e.g. never was ported to macOS.
And even Word,Excel and Powerpoint have only 80% of the Windows counterpart's functionality.
I would guess some intellectual disorder?
SCNR.
Apple Music is so awful, it's a reason to abandon Apple.
Reminds me of car shopping and the issue of 'trims' - bundling optional features together in packages to upsell the customer into buying more than what's desired. Likewise, cable and satellite t.v. packages rather than selling 'per channel.' My point is, what you describe isn't Apple-exclusive, but pretty common.
Bit of a contradiction. You say you 'should' have the same functionality no matter the phone or computer, but then claim Apple could easily offer some basic compatibility and basic feature sharing but offer more/special features to Apple product folks. Contradictory.
Apple is under no obligation and presumably doesn't find a compelling business case to deliberately enable encouraging people to buy competitor products.
I remember when (especially prior to Internet browsers and website services taking away from the dominance of computer operating systems) one of the key arguments against Macs was that Windows had vastly more software options, software for Macs was often a Windows port with inferior features (e.g.: for a time Microsoft Office without the macros, IIRC), and Macs were often frowned on as less compatible with the Windows-dominated world at work, etc...
Compared to that, hearing some young Android users find it painful their text bubbles show up green instead of blue...uh, yeah, cry me a river.
You know, it's not entirely that way by company choice. A long time ago, I read that when IBM released detailed PC specifications, they hoped to enable accessory products, not the enormously successful PC clone market. When we bought a Windows PC notebook for our 5th grader, I learned Microsoft had the app. shopping experience in a special mode that only downloaded from Microsoft's approved assortment, which is supposed to offer reliable security. To get the drivers for my old multifunctional printer, I had to manually take it out of that mode, and once out, that was it...couldn't put it back. Sounds like Microsoft would like to have a 'walled garden' of their own (I'm old enough to remember when WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3 and dBase were big names - then Microsoft Office offered an integrated package (you know, shared interface, not completely unlike a walled garden) and crowded them out). Remember Internet Explorer being offered free? I wonder if Netscape thought Microsoft was fond of respecting the market presence of competing interests... I recently read about Microsoft putting ads in Windows?
So Apple is not exclusive in aiming for a 'walled garden' approach, leveraging dominance against competitors and exploiting their position to make more money. Microsoft seems tamer these days, but there was a time they seemed to be in 'Borg mode' out to assimilate the software computing world.
The Windows world is much larger, broader and more diverse, so yes, you can get devices with a greater range of specifications. That's the tradeoff vs. the tight integration and consistant quality (in a range of ways; build quality, battery efficiency, slickness of user interface, etc...) of the Apple ecosystem. Similarly, people with a 'tinkerer' mindset who like to deep dive into technical manipulation and fine-tuning sometimes prefer the Windows and Android approach.
Apple doesn't tend to play nice with competitors. Their recent battle with the European Union over opening up iPhones and iPads to outside app stores is a good example. It's very understandable many users want that option. But here's a key question - Android phones and tablets are viable alternatives to iPhones and iPads, and the Mac presumably has low enough market share that I don't think Mac owners fully explain the market and 'mind' share of iOS devices. Many people who don't use Macs choose iPhones and iPads over Android alternatives. Why is that?
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Yep, Excel and Word on the Mac is an inferior experience then that of the PC
Nowadays when I want to use Excel, Word and OneNote I just do it on the PC. Before I resorted to Parallels on Mac because I just couldn't use the macOS versions.
I believe you meant Netscape
And Lotus Smartsuite was pretty cool. With desktop tabs one could open/close. I still have that CD somewhere, stored with older software
Yes, thanks! Still had time to Edit, so fixed it.
I used Lotus' Ami Pro word process on Windows way back. Yes, other companies tried to bundle software into suites to compete with MS Office for Windows, but some of these products came from what at least at first were different companies - remember Word Perfect, Quatro Pro and I think Paradox (database) being bundled together? The uniform interface across MS Office was an advantage. WordPerfect had replaced WordStar and had a large user base vs. MS Word, but Word was seen as a functional peer and bundled with Office on many computers. It made sense for businesses to opt for MS Office, so people got used to using Word, wish displaced WordPerfect as the mainstream word processing standard. Trial versions of MS Office often came on new PCs, ready to activate. To this day, how many people have Excel on their computer mainly as a side effect of getting Word and maybe PowerPoint and/or Outlook? WordPerfect changed ownership a number of times, which didn't inspire confidence - you could buy Microsoft Word without wondering who'd own it in a few years.
My point is, a company leveraging its products to create synergy and raise brand recognition and perceived market/mindshare to gain and hold marketshare and rake in money is far from an Apple exclusive. MS ruled the personal computer OS market, the Office suite market, saw Web browsers as an emerging competing platform and released Internet Explorer free to cripple Netscape, put out MS Money to compete with Quicken, put the Zune out to compete with iPods and when iPhones and Androids went big, they tried to make Windows Phones a major platform. The government had an interest in breaking them up for awhile.
It was assumed back when that Mac ports of Windows app.s lacked features because it wasn't nearly as worthwhile to develop for the Mac user base, and Mac people needed to be grateful for what they could get.
I also recall that back when Steve Jobs was gone and Gil Amelio was in charge, Apple got in bad shape...to the point it appeared to be trending down and possibly at risk for extinction. As much as we love to harp on Apple's way of doing things now (and I think the RAM and SSD upgrade pricing is price-gouging) and Tim Cook specifically, Apple is financially very healthy and their products trend-setters rather than fringe. Going out of their way to make their platform Android-friendly could be dangerous.
In fairness, Android struck me as an iOS knock-off. It's my understanding Steve Jobs was highly upset about it. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this," he said per a PCMag source I found via Google. From Apple's perspective, why would they choose to be gracious toward Android users?
I know a lot of pissed-off users, who would strongly disagree.
Apple has a issued a consistent series of lemons in the last 15 years.
Tell us how to run Linux on a T2 Intel i7 or i9 MacBook, that Apple had immediately discontinued. After all, Linux runs on any "Windows" laptop, practically out of the box. Even some of those "Windows" laptops are sold without an OS. Linux is, after all, Unix like, and open source.
I have one of those T2 Macbooks, and only Windows 10 is officially allowed by Apple, the device maker. That Windows 10 is going EOL in 2025. And, those MacBooks might go EOL in this year, just because Apple decides to block the next macOS in them. But, we can install 'heavy' Windows 11 in a measly Pentium laptop. Any Linux can be installed on them too. By the way, MS itself showed how to install Widows 11 in the unsupported device, in this case the Intel i7 MBP. Would Apple tell us how to install Sonoma in a 2017 MBP, or the next macOS in a due-to-be-obsoleted 2018 MBP? Willingly?
I only knew Word Perfect, and used it for some time.
Didn't know that about Android. But I was late to the game.
My first smartphone was the Samsung Galaxy S5. Used it for one and a half year, but got so upset that I couldn't update the OS.
Switched to my iPhone 6s, and has been using that ever since. Just love that phone, and iOS.
Incidentally, that was what got me into the Apple eco system 🤣
I will get an iPhone 15 Pro Max that I ordered. Main reason is because I wish to use it to shoot Pro Res LOG video.
But I am not planning to use it as a phone yet. Unless apps I need are no longer working on my old phones.
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You should look up the GPU failures from around 2009 through 2013 (give or take a year or two)
butterfly keyboards - now that was a nice one where they tried to gaslight the consumers saying the design is superior and not failing - I think that was around 2016 through 2019
Then there's this wiki Common Mac Issues/Models
While I do believe by and large that Apple products are well designed and made, that doesn't mean apple never lays an egg
I sort of accidentally clicked on the first post versus what is current.
A long post which I had my browser read aloud.
Best post I've ever read as it is way too true.
I know Technerd108 from other threads.
I have to say Windows 10 is giving me fits.
I ran into a problem and did a clean install.
Now the whole system has errors.
I've ordered a DVD of Linux Mint Debian Edition.
Yes I could download but it is over 5 GB.
My 2014 Dell AIO has an optical drive.
I have an iPad 7 which goes EOL this year.
I am using the Chrome browser for Windows and don't like it.
It syncs my bookmarks with Chrome for Android.
Love Firefox for Windows.
I don't love Firefox for Android.
My mother's old 2008 Dell PC needed replacement.
My brother got her a Dell with Windows 11.
Microsoft is doing stuff to annoy the end user.
Ads in the Start Menu?
Are you kidding me?!
Locking people out of pre-2018 computers and Windows 11?!
Millions of machines will go to the boneyard needlessly.
So for me, Microsoft is a vulgar word.
I need to hold my feet to the fire until I can understand Linux.
I too go back to MS-DOS and the Tandy DeskMate software.
For me, half of the Windows releases have been bad.
The good ones are 95, XP and Windows 7.
My old iMac G3 was something I never understood. OS 9.
Love my 2007 iMac, the first in aluminum.
Leopard and the Alex voice totally rocked.
LMDE is still both 32 and 64 bit.
I M-A-Y be able to install the 32-bit from DVD on my iMac.
Mom's old Dell came with Vista 32-bit. The CPU might be 64-bit.
The CPU is Dual Core, not Core 2 Duo.
The BIOS might not be 64-bit friendly.
I have to agree that Chromebooks cost too much for what you get.
Linux people are Firefox people mostly.
My goal is to keep my Dell AIO running with Linux.
It cannot use Windows 11, legitimately.
Once Linux and I are BFFs, I want to ditch all my tablets for a low-end Dell laptop.
Remove Windows 11 faster than kiss a duck, Johnny Cash quote, and run LMDE there too.
I agree more than 100% with Technerd108!
Keep in mind I read his first post.
Apple bakes RAM into the M chip.
Getting more RAM has to be done at time of purchase and is way overpriced.
All of Apple's extras are overpriced.
I'd rather make donations to both Mozilla and Linux Mint for free, open-source software.
My iPad has Touch ID. That is the biggest plus to the tablet.
My tablets are low-end without biometric sensor and face ID is a joke.
A long post which I had my browser read aloud.
Best post I've ever read as it is way too true.
I know Technerd108 from other threads.
I have to say Windows 10 is giving me fits.
I ran into a problem and did a clean install.
Now the whole system has errors.
I've ordered a DVD of Linux Mint Debian Edition.
Yes I could download but it is over 5 GB.
My 2014 Dell AIO has an optical drive.
I have an iPad 7 which goes EOL this year.
I am using the Chrome browser for Windows and don't like it.
It syncs my bookmarks with Chrome for Android.
Love Firefox for Windows.
I don't love Firefox for Android.
My mother's old 2008 Dell PC needed replacement.
My brother got her a Dell with Windows 11.
Microsoft is doing stuff to annoy the end user.
Ads in the Start Menu?
Are you kidding me?!
Locking people out of pre-2018 computers and Windows 11?!
Millions of machines will go to the boneyard needlessly.
So for me, Microsoft is a vulgar word.
I need to hold my feet to the fire until I can understand Linux.
I too go back to MS-DOS and the Tandy DeskMate software.
For me, half of the Windows releases have been bad.
The good ones are 95, XP and Windows 7.
My old iMac G3 was something I never understood. OS 9.
Love my 2007 iMac, the first in aluminum.
Leopard and the Alex voice totally rocked.
LMDE is still both 32 and 64 bit.
I M-A-Y be able to install the 32-bit from DVD on my iMac.
Mom's old Dell came with Vista 32-bit. The CPU might be 64-bit.
The CPU is Dual Core, not Core 2 Duo.
The BIOS might not be 64-bit friendly.
I have to agree that Chromebooks cost too much for what you get.
Linux people are Firefox people mostly.
My goal is to keep my Dell AIO running with Linux.
It cannot use Windows 11, legitimately.
Once Linux and I are BFFs, I want to ditch all my tablets for a low-end Dell laptop.
Remove Windows 11 faster than kiss a duck, Johnny Cash quote, and run LMDE there too.
I agree more than 100% with Technerd108!
Keep in mind I read his first post.
Apple bakes RAM into the M chip.
Getting more RAM has to be done at time of purchase and is way overpriced.
All of Apple's extras are overpriced.
I'd rather make donations to both Mozilla and Linux Mint for free, open-source software.
My iPad has Touch ID. That is the biggest plus to the tablet.
My tablets are low-end without biometric sensor and face ID is a joke.
That list is not complete, the MacPro 2013 (Trashcan) was just that...
And all Macbook power supply cables burning through...