Some science for you all on the throttling issue.
https://www.macobserver.com/news/battery-scientists-joins-debate-iphone-throttling/
https://www.macobserver.com/news/battery-scientists-joins-debate-iphone-throttling/
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I'm interested in what Android manufacturers do differently when for example my old Galaxy S4 still works perfectly fine with the original battery which is 5 years old now. While it would surely benefit from a new battery, it has not needed one for performance reasons.
When a battery capacity falls to 70-80% it’s end of life for a battery - that’s total BS.
battery last over 2 years...then just get a new battery after 2 years simple as.
i mean it gets very weak after 2 years.,
Umm are you also a battery scientist ?
End of useful life. It doesn’t mean it will cease to function, it just means the capacity is down and performance will be poor.
You don’t have to be a battery scientist to know that when a battery is at 70-80% capacity then by definition it’s not at its end of life. By definition it’s at 70-80% capacity.
If that were normal then why don’t all devices containing a battery at 70-80% capacity die and just stop completely working?
You don’t have to be a scientist to answer that, anyone with some common sense knows a battery will continue working at 70-80% capacity and it by definition you cannot say that it has reached its end of life.
Lol a battery that has reached 70-80% is considered end of life - what a load of crap. That person should not be classified as a scientist, it’s just BS propaganda because apple have been caught red handed.
If that were normal then why don’t all devices containing a battery at 70-80% capacity die and just stop completely working?
You don’t have to be a scientist to answer that, anyone with some common sense knows a battery will continue working at 70-80% capacity and it by definition you cannot say that it has reached its end of life.
Lol a battery that has reached 70-80% is considered end of life - what a load of crap. That person should not be classified as a scientist, it’s just BS propaganda because apple have been caught red handed.
You’re wrong. Both Apple and Samsung offer a free warranty repair on batteries that fall below 80% capacity within a certain timeframe. I think it is 2 years for Apple, and it used to be 1 year for Samsung. End of life doesn’t mean it will not work, it means it isn’t as efficient.
So why does Apple throttle at well above 80%? 
When Apple considers the battery "Healthy" and not in need of replacement, it's already being throttled.
When Apple considers the battery "Healthy" and not in need of replacement, it's already being throttled.
What I’m I wrong about?
I didn’t say apple and Samsung don’t offer warranty repairs when a battery capacity falls below 80%.
There is a difference between something that is less efficient vs. Classyfying something that is end of life.
Old batteries just don't hold a charge well. If they are saying the devices will become end of life, that means there may be a potential flaw in the design. That the iPhone will start to shut off. Performance will only eat up the battery more quickly under correct circumstances. This will lead to less battery life. That would prompt a person to seek a battery replacement or new device.
So, in my humble and not so scientific opinion, Apple may be hiding an engineering flaw.
So, in my humble and not so scientific opinion, Apple may be hiding an engineering flaw.
Lithium ion batteries last, on average, for about 500 charge cycles. If you've gone through 500 cycles and your battery is at 80% capacity, it's pretty much EOL. Yes, it still works, but even some swollen batteries still "work". The battery is much less efficient at providing power after several hundred cycles, hence the whole throttling thing.
And you don’t have to be scientist to figure that one out lol
[doublepost=1514077798][/doublepost]How come no other phone turns into a retarded vegetable after the battery has worn down to 80%
[doublepost=1514077798][/doublepost]How come no other phone turns into a retarded vegetable after the battery has worn down to 80%
EOL to me indicates that the battery can no longer be used at all. I do not go by Apple terms. I go by the actual usage. Sure I'll get less battery life but as long as my device doesn't shut off, I can always charge it. Keep a charging brick even.
So perhaps Apple knows that the iPhone may just shut off rather than just give decreased battery life?
I've owned a lot of devices outside of Apple even with a Note 3 battery that is 4 years old, my performance is just fine. It is not being throttled. However I have to charge it a lot more. I'll get a new one if this one swells or stops charging all together.
If Apple and other manufacturers are hiding an engineering flaw, this would make sense. Getting less battery life is expected as batteries age. So why the lack of transparency from Apple on throttle practices?
Indeed, I'd also like to know why newer iPhones draw enough power to need throttling after a certain point of battery degradation. As I alluded to above, I understand the reasoning behind Apple doing it but as you've alluded to, this doesn't seem to be a common course of action for devices with Li-ion batteries.
Ultimately, the big issue for me is the transparency part. You absolutely have to throttle CPUs? Fine, just let us know when our phones get to that point and also let us know that a new battery will fix the issue.
I agree. Why not just a pop up telling us we are being throttled? If we know we are getting bad battery life, we can turn on battery saver ourselves to throttle the device.
So what are they hiding, really?
If the shut off issues on the 6s were an indication, it's a serious flaw.
So why does Apple throttle at well above 80%?
When Apple considers the battery "Healthy" and not in need of replacement, it's already being throttled.
Do you have a source for that? I hadn't heard that they throttle while the battery is above 80%.
I'm mobile right now but go look at the other threads, as well as the Reddit threads on it.
The highest I saw that involved throttling was 92%, but there were many in the 80s.
You think it’s fine for apple to throttle your CPU? As long as they let you know when your phone reaches that point?
Why is that fine? Why should it happen in the first place? Why is it ok for it to happen as long as you are notified that a new battery will resolve the issue?
Fact is, it shouldn’t be happening at all.
It wasn't perfectly reasonable when Apple never told us.
Apple now removes features we want and adds features we never asked for.
Apple now removes features we want and adds features we never asked for.
Just as I expected - a bunch of non-engineers or tech specialists spouting off. Of course I'm not a expert myself but I recognize them when I see them.
The fact Apple doesn’t let apps show you battery cycles or health anymore is bs. Those of us without macs are out of luck
You don’t have to be an engineer to know apple just got caught with their pants down lol
Yeah but no updates that cripples / throttles your device may be a good thing.