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Apple Addresses CSAM Detection Concerns, Will Consider Expanding System on Per-Country Basis
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Yes, I absolutely prefer that, because it leaves me a choice of not uploading anything or encrypting it first where possible. Once they start snooping through my data on my own device I will no longer be in control, and the end-to-end encryption for services like iMessage that they market so proudly will be a farce.
That's just policy, not a technical limitation. Once they have implemented the scanning capability, the mission creep will start like it always does.
2019: if someone texts you this character it can brick your phone
2021: if someone sends you this photo it can brick your entire life
People who trust their freedom to the quality of Apple's software haven't been paying attention
2021: if someone sends you this photo it can brick your entire life
People who trust their freedom to the quality of Apple's software haven't been paying attention
I have always been an apple fanboy until now. Some things started to bug me, like deplatforming, too much political correctness, and ****** boring Apple TV + content. But those were minor things.
Even if apple walks back, I have completely lost faith in Tim Cook as a leader
Even if apple walks back, I have completely lost faith in Tim Cook as a leader
“scan” is a simplistic umbrella word unfit to express the anonymity of just comparing hashes.
That’s what many are missing.
So far, it’s just a “CP or not” label. Oh the humanity.
Let’s criticize Apple if and when they actually abuse this tech.
Winnie the Pooh already knew Apple could do this anyway, since they could already match dogs, cats, trees, faces..
It’s the intent of this being used to identify people for wrongdoing that makes this a dangerous slippery slope. No one is reporting you for pictures of—
trees
dogs
cats
etc.
You're being dishonest.
This is not going to affect those who do not have child pornography on their phone.
At first I was going to ask: iCloud was never e2ee. What exactly did they give up on?
Then I found this, which you probably meant: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ps-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT
Yes. If there’s no direct benefit to me — like being able to search through my photos which have been locally processed to see whether they contain dogs or trees or whatever — and this is for Apple’s own protection so that they’re not in possession of illegal material (which is fully understandable!) then it should be Apple doing the processing work, not my devices.
By the time we find out about it, it’ll probably be too late to deal with the consequences.
Very weak response by Apple. In my opinion, Apple has opened up the doors for abuse from the very entities that work hard to stop the subject of the program. I find that rather troubling. Looks like Apple has made a turn there is no turning back from.
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So Apple "will consider any potential global expansion of the system on a country-by-country basis after conducting a legal evaluation"
Yet they have already decided to roll it out in the US, which for all intents and purposes has been as rogue a country as any over the last 4 years and it is just trying to recover from an attempted coup.
What does the "legal evaluation" consist of exactly?
Yet they have already decided to roll it out in the US, which for all intents and purposes has been as rogue a country as any over the last 4 years and it is just trying to recover from an attempted coup.
What does the "legal evaluation" consist of exactly?
They’re telling it to themselves tho. You can’t be sure about what they’re doing under the hood. If you don’t trust Apple, or trust it less than any random third party app you gave access to the camera roll, you should disable all the cloud functionality or maybe not use an iPhone at all.
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Do you know how many people will just cancel out the iCloud service subscription.
It's not black and white. They can tell other people I have trees if they really want to, but there's no mechanism in place for it, plus they promised not to. Now there's a an automatic path for reporting CP, which can be abused or even more likely have bugs. Most importantly, it gives them precedent to go one step further next time.
Just like how iMessage is e2ee, but technically they can still mitm it if they want to. You're always trusting their devices to some extent, and even if you weren't, you have to trust their identity servers. But it's safer than FB Messenger.
But yes, I already turned the cloud stuff off.
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If you have multiple matches (basically impossible to be so unlucky for that to happen by chance), you will have some explaining to do, sure. That’s part of the game if you’re uploading stuff to a cloud host.
Basically some people here would like a “don’t ask don’t tell” policy by Apple on the matter of child abuse. Read that again.
No, they want a "don't know" policy. Just store images without messing with them. Is that too much to ask for on a rather expensive paid service?
Because of a fully anonymous and local (local if negative) check against a CP database?
They will unsubscribe if they don’t understand how this works or own CP. Or out of principle because everything is a slippery slope.
No cloud really works like this.
Piracy, takedowns, etc.
Banks don’t work like this.
Nothing works like this.
Maybe Silk Road. Ask its creator how that worked out.
I'm sure the Chinese communist government will soon require Apple to scan iCloud servers(based in China) for any photos that contain unapproved images such as Winnie the Pooh or any other non-flattering anti-communist stuff.
I think it is fantastic what Apple is doing here. they Will keep it focused
iCloud backups worked like this until now. Your data can be accessed by government request, but by default they aren't telling people what's in there. They aren't even scanning for pirated content because it's not being shared with other users.
iMessage also works like this, if you count it as a cloud service.
This still has me confused. Is it iCloud Photo Library only, or is it iCloud? If someone have iMessage in iCloud enabled and someone collects your phone number could people try to get others in trouble by sending them photos they know are within this hash database?
Hopefully, this is strictly iCloud Photos Library only? Meaning that one has to save the photo from an iMessage into ones library manually for this to trigger? When I think about it doesn't Photo's list things you have received in iMessage through the new "share with you feature" in iOS 15? I suppose none of this links to iCloud and is on-device only? Or?
And doesn't this simply tell every child absurer that is somewhat tech-savvy to simple re-encode all the images so it gets new unique hashes? Or am I missing something here. Having a hash change is the easiest thing in the world so unless you are completely unware of these features and start uploading all your child pornography into iCloud as-is you won't run into any trouble here. I suppose a lot of these people are not tech-savvy and might be stupid enough to be detected by this.
Hopefully, this is strictly iCloud Photos Library only? Meaning that one has to save the photo from an iMessage into ones library manually for this to trigger? When I think about it doesn't Photo's list things you have received in iMessage through the new "share with you feature" in iOS 15? I suppose none of this links to iCloud and is on-device only? Or?
And doesn't this simply tell every child absurer that is somewhat tech-savvy to simple re-encode all the images so it gets new unique hashes? Or am I missing something here. Having a hash change is the easiest thing in the world so unless you are completely unware of these features and start uploading all your child pornography into iCloud as-is you won't run into any trouble here. I suppose a lot of these people are not tech-savvy and might be stupid enough to be detected by this.
people who are against it didn't even read how it works.
chances of the system incorrectly identifying a picture is one in a trillion. you have a higher chance of winning the lottery than the system incorrectly flagging your account.
chances of the system incorrectly identifying a picture is one in a trillion. you have a higher chance of winning the lottery than the system incorrectly flagging your account.