If major tech companies like Apple, Google, Samsung, etc. all just simply refuse to sell their products in Russia as a result of this legislation I have a feeling the legislation would disappear very quickly.
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Apple Calls New Russian Smartphone Sales Legislation 'Equivalent to Jailbreaking'
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Sorry, but I don't see much difference between this and Google (Alphabet), Cisco, Microsoft, etc, working WITH China to spy on, harass, and prosecute their own people.
It will be interesting to see which companies are fine with this as long as they can still make money. Capitalism IS the weakest link.
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You don't know Russia. They will try to make their own goods, and retreat farther into the black hole of isolationism. That would be a bad thing, but I don't have any idea how to fight it. It's sad...
It will be interesting to see which companies are fine with this as long as they can still make money. Capitalism IS the weakest link.
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You don't know Russia. They will try to make their own goods, and retreat farther into the black hole of isolationism. That would be a bad thing, but I don't have any idea how to fight it. It's sad...
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As a Russian I can say this:
First, Apple already hardly operates in Russia - for example, there is not a single Apple store here at all, all the phones are sold through third-party resellers.
Second, it's typical for the Russian government to pass completely retarded laws and then roll them back because, well, of their sheer stupidity.
For example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarovaya_law
A law that would require mobile operators to keep ALL DATA that goes through Russian phones on their servers, which would result in a threefold (!!!) increase of mobile services prices. A sheer madness of a legislation that was passed and then quickly rolled back.
Similarly, when Telegram refused to provide the encryption keys to the Russian government, it started blocking ALL the websites and DNS servers linked to telegram - Google servers, Amazon servers, Google itself (!), which hilariously resulted in around 10% of Russian online stores and tons of websites getting blocked for no reason, but not telegram itself.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ocks_google_aws_ip_addresses_to_get_telegram/
Needless to say, all this was quickly rolled back and Telegram is as operational as ever.
So I would actually prefer Apple to officially say they would not operate under such laws, as I believe the public indignation will quickly bring them back.
First, Apple already hardly operates in Russia - for example, there is not a single Apple store here at all, all the phones are sold through third-party resellers.
Second, it's typical for the Russian government to pass completely retarded laws and then roll them back because, well, of their sheer stupidity.
For example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarovaya_law
A law that would require mobile operators to keep ALL DATA that goes through Russian phones on their servers, which would result in a threefold (!!!) increase of mobile services prices. A sheer madness of a legislation that was passed and then quickly rolled back.
Similarly, when Telegram refused to provide the encryption keys to the Russian government, it started blocking ALL the websites and DNS servers linked to telegram - Google servers, Amazon servers, Google itself (!), which hilariously resulted in around 10% of Russian online stores and tons of websites getting blocked for no reason, but not telegram itself.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ocks_google_aws_ip_addresses_to_get_telegram/
Needless to say, all this was quickly rolled back and Telegram is as operational as ever.
So I would actually prefer Apple to officially say they would not operate under such laws, as I believe the public indignation will quickly bring them back.
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people will still buy it from neighboring countries.
omg, this is a genuine black market iphone...
How much money does the market which is against our principles generate? This is the one question which decides how those principles are applied. Apple are two faced hypocrites such that I simply refuse to ever by a Mac Pro from them.
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Can you educate us on who actually drives these law changes? Is it Putin or some other individual in the government who has the agenda?
I'm not sure that this is true. Devices that can connect to the internet like the ones that Apple and other major tech companies sell can give people living under a dictatorship access to information outside of the constant wave of propaganda that they are subjected to if they can get their hands on them. For instance, China can't quietly try and force the people of Hong Kong to submit to them. Thanks to these devices the entire world is watching.
Yet they'll willingly bend over and open up for countries like China?? They should just pull out of the market and save the rest of us the hypocritical grandstanding.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin today signed new legislation requiring all smartphones, computers, and smart TVs sold in the country to come pre-installed with Russian software, reports Reuters.
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Proponents of the law claim it will help Russian developers better compete with foreign tech firms. The legislation has also been pitched as a way of sparing consumers from having to download software after purchasing a new device.
Electronic retailers have already criticized the law, which is due to come into force on July 1 next year, and say the legislation was adopted without consulting them. The law has also sparked fears that Russia could use the pre-installed apps as a way to spy on its citizens.
It's still unclear how tech companies will react to the news, although Apple has previously threatened to pull out of the Russian market if a complete ban on selling its products without pre-installed apps was introduced, Russian media reported earlier this year.
Responding to today's news of the law, an unnamed Apple source reportedly told the Kommersant business daily: "A mandate to add third-party applications to Apple's ecosystem would be equivalent to jailbreaking. It would pose a security threat, and the company cannot tolerate that kind of risk."
According to The Moscow Times, the government will draw up a list of software which tech companies will need to pre-install, and a list of the devices covered by the law, expected to include computers, tablets and smart TVs alongside mobile phones.
The Russian government has cracked down on internet freedoms in recent years, including requiring messaging services to share encryption keys with security services and social networks to store user data on servers in the country.
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A heavy-handed Russian response to things. China has other ways to collect and control data. They don't need to do this. The Chinese market for Apple's products is far larger, as well, so it would be easier for Apple to give Russia the finger than it would for China.
Unfortunately we are under a constant wave of propaganda that comes from Russia through social media via repost from sites like RT.com (Russian Times) and within from the top of our government.
Looking at the plus side: official jailbreak for iPhones!
No. I can see why Apple would not do this; people would be able to work around the problems / restrictions of the latest software update...
No. I can see why Apple would not do this; people would be able to work around the problems / restrictions of the latest software update...
This is exactly the kind of tactics that makes the Kaspersky Russian government backdoor conspiracy theories ring true!
See the pattern?
See the pattern?
With the exception of Moscow, most of Russia is kind of a back water.
The amount of sales lost would be minuscule. Apple has to decide if it's worth doing this from a technical standpoint, and the other reasons are sort of busy work. Russia could become a source for factory jailbroken phones. I don't think Apple would like that.
One could hope it would subside some of the Twitter bot meddling, and deep fakes?
if that happens then russia would rely on huawei 100%, top 5 phone makers 3 of them are chinese, pretty sure the chinese companies are poised to replace western companies if there is a chance.
But socialism is so awesome. I learned that from AOC. She is smart.
she has to be.
she went to college.
she wears glasses.
she has to be.
she went to college.
she wears glasses.
This is Tim's Apple. He'll even chase the 2 cents saved by removing the spare tip from the Apple Pencil. No chance he walks away from a single Russian sale when he has his "just complying with local laws" excuse ready to go.
As long as these apps have been properly approved for distribution via Apple's App Store, I don't see a problem with Apple devices having a folder with a few legally required apps pre-installed in it, with it being easy for the customer to uninstall/remove them.
Or maybe even just make installing them part of the first-time user set up... one of the questions will be "Do you want your national apps installed? They can be easily installed later and are not required for your device to function properly."
Or maybe even just make installing them part of the first-time user set up... one of the questions will be "Do you want your national apps installed? They can be easily installed later and are not required for your device to function properly."
From Russia Without the Love.
This is Chinese level communism. This is spyware, plain and simple.
This is Chinese level communism. This is spyware, plain and simple.
Just give 'em a pre-installed U2 album and see how quick they back-pedal on their demands
