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FriendlyMackle

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About as disgusting as the majority of the IRAs funding coming from the USA
The IRA funding comes from misguided PRIVATE American individuals (whom I would assume to be of Irish descent). It does not come from our government. After all, we have a 'friendly' relationship with the U.K.
 

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SlCKB0Y

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The ARPANET was designed to survive subordinate-network losses, since the principal reason was that the switching nodes and network links were unreliable, even without any nuclear attacks. Resource scarcity supported the creation of the ARPANET, according to Charles Herzfeld, ARPA Director (1965–1967):

The ARPANET was not started to create a Command and Control System that would survive a nuclear attack, as many now claim. To build such a system was, clearly, a major military need, but it was not ARPA's mission to do this; in fact, we would have been severely criticized had we tried. Rather, the ARPANET came out of our frustration that there were only a limited number of large, powerful research computers in the country, and that many research investigators, who should have access to them, were geographically separated from them.[21]

In A Brief History of the Internet, the Internet Society denies that ARPANET was designed to survive a nuclear attack:

It was from the RAND study that the false rumor started, claiming that the ARPANET was somehow related to building a network resistant to nuclear war. This was never true of the ARPANET; only the unrelated RAND study on secure voice considered nuclear war. However, the later work on Internetting did emphasize robustness and survivability, including the capability to withstand losses of large portions of the underlying networks.[17]

Wow, those two quotes above surround your quote. Seems you're being quite selective in your quoting and very dishonest.

Furthermore:

Many people have heard that the Internet began with some military computers in the Pentagon called Arpanet in 1969. The theory goes on to suggest that the network was designed to survive a nuclear attack. However, whichever definition of what the Internet is we use, neither the Pentagon nor 1969 hold up as the time and place the Internet was invented. A project which began in the Pentagon that year, called Arpanet, gave birth to the Internet protocols sometime later (during the 1970's), but 1969 was not the Internet's beginnings. Surviving a nuclear attack was not Arpanet's motivation, nor was building a global communications network.

Bob Taylor, the Pentagon official who was in charge of the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (or Arpanet) program, insists that the purpose was not military, but scientific. The nuclear attack theory was never part of the design. Nor was an Internet in the sense we know it part of the Pentagon's 1969 thinking. Larry Roberts, who was employed by Bob Taylor to build the Arpanet network, states that Arpanet was never intended to link people or be a communications and information facility.

Arpanet was about time-sharing. Time sharing tried to make it possible for research institutions to use the processing power of other institutions computers when they had large calculations to do that required more power, or when someone else's facility might do the job better.

http://www.nethistory.info/History of the Internet/beginnings.html
 
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SlCKB0Y

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Also from your link:
Arpanet_logical_map%2C_march_1977.png



The vast majority of nodes in Arpanet are in research facilities and universities, not military. How does that support your post-nuclear design goal? How is that even remotely secure?

The primary purpose of Arpanet was research and academia. The small proportion of Arpanet owned by the US federal government was used for unclassified communication and was disconnected from Arpanet in the early 80's to become MILNET. At most, Arpanet ended up being a Proof of Concept (POC) for a military comms network but it was never a primary goal.
 

subsonix

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The primary purpose of Arpanet was research and academia. The small proportion of Arpanet owned by the US federal government was used for unclassified communication and was disconnected from Arpanet in the early 80's to become MILNET. At most, Arpanet ended up being a Proof of Concept (POC) for a military comms network but it was never a primary goal.

I believe that resilience against attacks on the network was a millitary requirement.
 
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