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He is not saying that anti-communists agree with marx, he's saying they understand when they read and see that it is a terrible system.
There is nothing wrong with reading outside of your political spectrum. It only increases your understanding. That was the point. Reagan was trying to make that anti-Communist when they read the communist manifesto. See how it's a terrible system.
 

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My guess is Reagan, like many in the US, neither read nor understood Marx or Lenin. Also, reading and understanding their work doesn't indicate agreement, so the statement is false and inflammatory. Lest MR forum readers assume all Americans are wilfully ignorant about history, Marx and Lenin were required reading when I went to university in Virginia, along with the great works of many other philosophers and social scientists across the political spectrum. Then again, that was before the Unenlightenment.

Anyway, we're diverging from the thread so I have said my piece.
if Americans are ignorant, then why did you go to school in America? Does that make you ignorant?
 

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So let me get this clear you think the living standards, for the poor people in America is worse than the genocide of millions of people in the gulags of the Soviet union.
I never said that but if you want to switch topics again, we can of course compare the gulags with American prisons.
 

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I never said that but if you want to switch topics again, we can of course compare the gulags with American prisons.
First of all, yes you said that the living conditions in the USSR would be a dream to poor people in America. And two, how dare you compare American prisons to camps that systematically tortured and killed millions of innocent people. The Soviets were as bad as the Nazis
 

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And two, how dare you compare American prisons to camps that systematically tortured and killed millions of innocent people. The Soviets were as bad as the Nazis
LOL. This is a fabricated lie designed to reduce and diminish the power and influence Soviet Union gained in the world order(by paying a very high price) after defeating Hitler.

On a conceptual level the mere existence of the book like "The Last Of The Mohicans" tells you a lot about the moral standing and human values of the US as a country. Soviet Union has preserved all the "smaller nations" that are populating its vast territory.
There is a reason why US heavily relies on anti-Russian propaganda as it will not be able to survive conceptually without it. The idea that you can even use the words "Soviets" and "Nazis" in the same sentence(thus making them equal) has been planted in your head with a well thought out purpose in mind.
 

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LOL. This is a fabricated lie designed to reduce and diminish the power and influence Soviet Union gained in the world order(by paying a very high price) after defeating Hitler.

On a conceptual level the mere existence of the book like "The Last Of The Mohicans" tells you a lot about the moral standing and human values of the US as a country. Soviet Union has preserved all the "smaller nations" that are populating its vast territory.
There is a reason why US heavily relies on anti-Russian propaganda as it will not be able to survive conceptually without it. The idea that you can even use the words "Soviets" and "Nazis" in the same sentence(thus making them equal) has been planted in your head with a well thought out purpose in mind.
🤦‍♂️ Really, really, have you researched anything? You clearly have not done actual research and instead have just paid attention to propaganda. You seem to forget that Stalin and Hitler fought side by side until Hitler backstabbed him. And that the Berlin Wall existed, blocking people from escaping. You are equal with Neo-Nazis. And look up to murderers as mentors.
 
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First of all, yes you said that the living conditions in the USSR would be a dream to poor people in America. And two, how dare you compare American prisons to camps that systematically tortured and killed millions of innocent people. The Soviets were as bad as the Nazis
No I said poor people in the usa and living conditions in the ussr and you made poor people in the usa and gulags in the ussr out of it.
Again there is no developed country having a greater share of their population imprisoned than the usa.
In the usa you can get imprisoned longtime for petty crimes and they need constant flow of prisoners to keep their prisons running as they are cheap labor working camps.

The Soviets weren’t as bad as the nazis, this is typical for the extreme right wing like you to try to take away the uniqueness of industrially killing people like the nazis did. Shame on you!
The Soviet’s had their gulags and it was a crime but what the usa are doing until this day is even worse because history should have taught them something.
 

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No I said poor people in the usa and living conditions in the ussr and you made poor people in the usa and gulags in the ussr out of it.
Again there is no developed country having a greater share of their population imprisoned than the usa.
In the usa you can get imprisoned longtime for petty crimes and they need constant flow of prisoners to keep their prisons running as they are cheap labor working camps.

The Soviets weren’t as bad as the nazis, this is typical for the extreme right wing like you to try to take away the uniqueness of industrially killing people like the nazis did. Shame on you!
The Soviet’s had their gulags and it was a crime but what the usa are doing until this day is even worse because history should have taught them something.
First of all, yes the USSR is systematically kill people in the gulags. INNOCENT PEOPLE! They also hated and killed the Jews as well, like the Nazis. Also, people in the US are being let out of jail for terrible crimes. Arson, MURDER, smash and grabs, assaulting officers. And more, and these people are being let off by people of the extreme left wing. We have the opposite problem in America, we're not keeping people in jail who should be.
 

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No I said poor people in the usa and living conditions in the ussr and you made poor people in the usa and gulags in the ussr out of it.
Again there is no developed country having a greater share of their population imprisoned than the usa.
In the usa you can get imprisoned longtime for petty crimes and they need constant flow of prisoners to keep their prisons running as they are cheap labor working camps.

The Soviets weren’t as bad as the nazis, this is typical for the extreme right wing like you to try to take away the uniqueness of industrially killing people like the nazis did. Shame on you!
The Soviet’s had their gulags and it was a crime but what the usa are doing until this day is even worse because history should have taught them something.
Also, i'm not making a lesser deal out of the Nazis. For the racist, anti-semitic, oppressive, socialist, ableist murders that they were. I'm just saying the Soviets did much of the same.
 

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🤦‍♂️ Really, really, have you researched anything? You clearly have not done actual research and instead have just paid attention to propaganda. You seem to forget that Stalin and Hitler fought side by side until Hitler backstabbed him. And that the Berlin Wall existed, blocking people from escaping. You are equal with Neo-Nazis. And look up to murderers as mentors.
LOL. You are confused but I already explained why there was a purpose to make sure that you are and remain confused. Hitler together with Poland were dividing Czechoslovakia between themselves and Stalin actually offered to send Soviet Army in order to help Czechoslovakia fight Hitler but Poland closed its borders and refused to let Soviet Army to cross its territory in order to get through to the Czechoslovakia. Obviously Poland has lived to regret this decision. Britain has forwarded Czechoslovakia's gold reserves to Hitler thus sending a message to Czechoslovakia that they better do not resist and do what Hitler asks them to. So according to you logic you can say that Britain was fighting alongside Hitler in the beginning(obviously to make sure that Hitler remained powerful enough to attack Soviet Union whose economy was growing 15% a year at the time) and when Hitler did attack Soviet Union, Britain stubbed him in the back(because they knew how to be on the right side of history at the right time). It is also was Britain's and its Western allies idea to divide Germany in two parts West and East, Stalin was against it. Oh the irony but you know yourself who likes their "divide and conquer" approach so much.
 

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LOL. You are confused but I already explained why there was a purpose to make sure that you are and remain confused. Hitler together with Poland were dividing Czechoslovakia between themselves and Stalin actually offered to send Soviet Army in order to help Czechoslovakia fight Hitler but Poland closed its borders and refused to let Soviet Army to cross its territory in order to get through to the Czechoslovakia. Obviously Poland has lived to regret this decision. Britain has forwarded Czechoslovakia's gold reserves to Hitler thus sending a message to Czechoslovakia that they better do not resist and do what Hitler asks them to. So according to you logic you can say that Britain was fighting alongside Hitler in the beginning(obviously to make sure that Hitler remained powerful enough to attack Soviet Union whose economy was growing 15% a year at the time) and when Hitler did attack Soviet Union, Britain stubbed him in the back(because they knew how to be on the right side of history at the right time). It is also was Britain's and its Western allies idea to divide Germany in two parts West and East, Stalin was against it. Oh the irony but you know yourself who likes their "divide and conquer" approach so much.
The USSR was one of the axis powers. Until the German invasion of the USSR.
 

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The USSR was one of the axis powers. Until the German invasion of the USSR.
No, it wasn't. The Axis was formed ostensibly to fight against the Soviet Union and communism.
 

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No, it wasn't. The Axis was formed ostensibly to fight against the Soviet Union and communism.
Ok I was wrong about the axis powers thing, but they were still the Nazis alies
 

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Ok I was wrong about the axis powers thing, but they were still the Nazis alies
No. They weren't allies. The pact that you referred to wasn't an alliance. They were enemies who both planned to invade Poland, so they negotiated boundaries to avoid direct conflict.
 

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They signed a deal to joint occupy Poland.
Again, they were enemies. Soviets didn’t want Nazis in Poland. Nazis didn’t want Soviets in Poland. Rather than attack each other directly, they negotiated boundaries. That doesn’t make them allies. They didn’t work together.

If two gangs agree not to kill each other if they don’t enter each other’s territory, that doesn’t make them allies.
 
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Again, they were enemies. Soviets didn’t want Nazis in Poland. Nazis didn’t want Soviets in Poland. Rather than attack each other directly, they negotiated boundaries. That doesn’t make them allies. They didn’t work together.

If two gangs agree not to kill each other if they don’t enter each other’s territory, that doesn’t make them allies.
You just love saying the same crap don’t You
 

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Germany and the USSR made a pact to joint invade poland
This is a lie perpetuated by Britain in order to hide its own pacts with a Hitler. Why do you think Rudolph Gess mysteriously "commited suicide" after two British officers visited him in his prison cell. The British made sure that he did not talk.
There was no benefit for Soviet Union to occupy Poland. As a matter of fact Stalin GAVE quite a bit of territory to Poland as he understood the concept and importance of having a "buffer zone" in a shape of friendly states. Poland has made a mistake(as always) by thinking that they "were in on the game" and can grab a chunk of Czechoslovakia.
Even still today I am pretty sure that Biden has made it clear to Poland that if they have any personal "beef with Russia" to settle they will have to do it with their own means and not count on NATO. The tail can never wiggle the dog, ever.
 

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This is a lie perpetuated by Britain in order to hide its own pacts with a Hitler. Why do you think Rudolph Gess mysteriously "commited suicide" after two British officers visited him in his prison cell. The British made sure that he did not talk.
There was no benefit for Soviet Union to occupy Poland. As a matter of fact Stalin GAVE quite a bit of territory to Poland as he understood the concept and importance of having a "buffer zone" in a shape of friendly states. Poland has made a mistake(as always) by thinking that they "were in on the game" and can grab a chunk of Czechoslovakia.
Even still today I am pretty sure that Biden has made it clear to Poland that if they have any personal "beef with Russia" to settle they will have to do it with their own means and not count on NATO. The tail can never wiggle the dog, ever.
First of all, who the heck mentioned Britian, two what about the Berlin Wall and the eastern bloc, there was no buffer zone. And lastly, we agree that Biden sucks! So good for us 😄
 
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